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Kinoki Detox Foot Pads - What a bizzare idea...foot pads to remove toxins from inside your body.
A more plausible product would be detox anal pads.
I don't see how the Kinoki Detox Foot Pads could possibly work. But for $19.95 plus shipping, I can get all the pads I want FOR LIFE!
Yes! All I have to do is pay $9.95 shipping and handling for each additional set of pads. $10 bucks for S&H. Amazing Randi fans was not convinced by claims about Kinoki Detox Foot Pads. One reader had this explanation of how the pads "work".
This comment adds something substantive to the debate.
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PJ Ford — 18 October 2007, 13:39
Not only do Kinoki detox pads NOT work but the company Hollywood gadgets will not return my calls or e-mails as I'm trying to get them to stop sending me the monthly shipment. I finally had to stop payment through my bank.
Brent — 20 October 2007, 21:20
Sadly, that's not surprising to me. Glad you finally got the charge removed.
Pennywise — 31 October 2007, 18:30
I can't believe you bought them. I wonder how much I would have to drink before I would make this call.
Jimbo — 03 November 2007, 18:23
This is weird. I typed in http://www.kinoki.com/ and landed on a site promoting another product. How did that happen?
Brent — 03 November 2007, 19:24
How bizzare! Suspicious, suspicious.
JiggyBaller — 03 November 2007, 20:44
It's because the site is www.buykinoki.com. I'm not endorsing the product, just pointing that out.
Phibert — 08 November 2007, 03:02
P. T. Barnum would be thrilled!!!!!
Brent — 08 November 2007, 08:02
monty — 18 November 2007, 12:49
Thanx folks. I was suspicious of this product which is why I landed here -glad I did.
tara — 19 November 2007, 02:25
so other than the comments, what is known about this prouct?
Dazani — 27 November 2007, 01:51
Only a fool would give good money for such nonsense.
Next they'll have a Magic Rock ($19.95)that will cure baldness and that stupid cartoon Fox will advertise it.
Arts-On-A-Sock — 27 November 2007, 16:13
Greatest product around since Bee Branch, AR, 'Ump' Shagnasty invented the Ozark Brain Tightenin' Device and gave out a free 5 lb bag of prunes to the first 10 folks to get a 'tightenin.'
ralph — 27 November 2007, 18:52
so do u have anal itching --- try one of the pads
Jimbo — 27 November 2007, 20:17
I just read this on another blog.
I thought it was all a hoax too until I did some research and found out that Avon and CVS are selling them. See for yourself by going to www.avon.com and search for "detox patches". For CVS click here http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gatewa...?prodid=367101 .
Why would a 120 year old company and one of the largest drug store chain promote a hoax? Do you think that they would verify the product's efficacy before they put their reputation on it? Please share your thoughts.
Brent — 28 November 2007, 14:13
Avon (like any other cosmetics co.) sells plenty of cosmetics that don't exactly fulfill their advertised claims. This is just one more.
Jimbo — 30 November 2007, 04:36
Brent. Can you be more specific? Avon is a century old multi-billion dollar international company. Are you saying that they have invested millions of dollars to train their loyal independent agents to promote a hoax? Do you think they would have evaluated the product first? Do you think that more is as stake here than promoting an unpopular shade of red?
I have been using another brand of detox patch for about 8 months and with wonderful results. Fyi, I do not recommend the Avon or Kinoki brand because they are over priced.
Brent — 30 November 2007, 08:19
I guess I'm referring to the implied or explicit claims made in cosmetic ads that various products will "make your skin younger," etc. Some are worse than others, and I'm certainly no intentional student of these ads. But I see them often enough to gain this impression. Perhaps I'm being unfair in lumping all cosmetic companies together, but all I can say is that the ads leave me with that message.
I didn't realize Avon was investing so much in these pads....But if they are, I'm sure they are doing so to serve their customers and make money. If enough people believe the claims about these footpads, there is a market. And if an established company can sell to that market without damaging it's reputation, it probably will--regardless of whether the product's claims are unfounded.
You seem to imply that Avon is a special case. Since I have no connections with Avon (except to relatives that occasionally peddle their products to my wife), I can't say what kind of corporate values Avon holds. I guess I'm just cynical.
And what's at stake here? I doubt that these pads hurt anybody. It's simply a case of buyer beware regarding the claims. I simply don't believe the claims are based on any scientific evidence, but I'm open to reviewing such evidence if I find it or if it's presented to me. In this context, my cynicism has a useful place.
Thanks so much for you comments...They've got me thinking.
Lady T — 04 December 2007, 20:52
I did use another brand and it works,the product I use is higher than Kinoki I wanted to try this and see how it works. I am into vitamins and herbs and have had excellent results with them. I don't like all the side affects that a lot of medicine have. I just saw the Ad on TV and checked out the website today .
Jimbo — 05 December 2007, 17:34
The Kinoki ad is misleading as discussed on this website www.kinoki.com.
jan — 06 December 2007, 12:30
all of you are wrong this product helped me sleep better and gave me more energy i dont care if its in my head but if i see results its worth the 20 bucks
albert — 14 December 2007, 11:22
...then why was it on my sock after i took the pads off? I used them for the first time last night. I started at 3 in the morning so i took a shower and put them on at about 3:30. i ended up wearing them to work and taking them off at work around 11 am. i too of course got the brown gunk on my pad. it had a funny smell to it but didn't really stink all that bad. actually it smelled a little like barbecue sauce to me. i wiped my feet CLEAN with some "sani-dex" antimicrobial alcohol gel hand wipes. i wiped them until there was no more residue left on the wipes. i put my socks and shoes back on and went on with my day. shortly afterwards i noticed that my socks were sticking to my feet in certain spots and moist. so i take my shoes off to investigate and what do u know, some more of the brown gunk was on my socks!!! it was as if the gunk that was on it's way out of my skin finished coming out after i took the pads off. there were brown spots the same color of my pads in the middle of my sock where the pad was. so if i wiped my feet clean to the point there was nothing on each wipe after i wiped my feet (u know the same way u wipe ur butt after taking a dump), then where did those remnants come from? and the same smell was there as well, but that could've came from the pads being on with my socks.
now my question to all of the people who say that the pads are just reacting to the sweat is, did my socks too just react to the sweat? and if so then how come they never reacted to sweat before today?
RationalSkeptik — 18 December 2007, 15:14
Unfortunately the body does not work that way, as a giant pipe (or intestinal tract, as you alluded to) moving solids throughout the body in that way. Furthermore, the feet are made to be incredibly resistant to exchanges across the skin boundary. Any "toxin" making its way across the skin would have to be near a sweat gland and would be crossing anyway, with or without some ancient magical asian towel.
I got my degree in Chemisty and while this may not be how it actually works, it is certainly very plausible.
The footpads are loaded with chemical indicators (compounds that change colors when the general environment changes appropriately, i.e. reacting to a pH change or the change in concentration of a specific compound such as urea). Your body uses sweat as a method of removing urea - the reason sweat marks are sometimes yellow. So your feet sweat all day and night and the pad is loaded with an indicator that changes color to black when the pH becomes more acidic (urea is acidic). When you cleaned your feet, not all of the indicator that was in the footpad was cleaned off of your feet. While you used an antimicrobial, that has nothing to do with a chemical as small as urea, and in this area soap is soap. And there is no way to get something COMPLETELY clean. If you disagree, bring a black light to your next hotel room. Those are sheets that are washed almost daily, year after year, in industrial strength detergent and the stains will never come off. So the indicator on your foot is absorbed by your sock when your feet begin to sweat again and is then changed color. Simple and easy.
Brent — 18 December 2007, 20:34
Wow! Thanks for that great explanation. Makes sense to me.
Deborah — 19 December 2007, 16:43
I've used them and my experience has been that they work. My husband also tried them and agrees. In just two applications, we both feel a good ten years younger while also experiencing much more energy, no aches and pains, mental clarity and less problems with blood pressure. Also seems to clear up psoriasis...not a cure, of course, but at least settles it down to the point where you almost think you don't have it anymore.
We're both definitely going to keep using them, based on the remarkable results we've received. It wouldn't hurt to try them yourself before you make a determination on whether they're bogus or not.
Brent — 19 December 2007, 18:08
I suppose you're right, but I just get the feeling I'm being taken for a ride with these products...Plus, I've rec'd email from people who say they are having trouble getting the charge removed when they decide to discontinue their "subscription." Whole thing seems a little flaky to me (is that a pun?).
Main thing is that unbiased studies are not forthcoming. Are the makers afraid of what such studies would find? I just don't trust this. Anecdotal evidence like yours is just not enough for me.
karen — 20 December 2007, 01:37
The TV commercial has FDA Approved printed on it, but the website doesn't. Considering how long it takes to get approval, seems there might be a bit of fraud going on here.
silly grandma — 20 December 2007, 01:46
All of you people crack me up! Big Pharma has been selling so-called 'medicine' to millions for billions of profit and ended up killing thousands. Yet no 'forums' are established to help bored idiot go and bitch about that...Or, maybe they are dead?? hmmm...
Huckster — 21 December 2007, 09:00
I am selling a "Magic Hankie" if anyone is intrested...Just hold it under your nose and blow and it removes toxis from your nasal passages..
Virginia Hallfirstname.lastname@example.org — 23 December 2007, 08:11
Ordered 2 sets of these and funds were taken out of my account on 11/30 . Still have yet to receive order almost a month later!!!!!Who do I contact I have no numbers just $60 out of my account.
Brent — 24 December 2007, 05:27
So sorry to hear that...I don't really know, though if it was a credit card purchase, you should be able to dispute the charge and the credit card company will investigate. Hope you can work it out.
its420 — 24 December 2007, 14:30
Tourmaline: read about it on Google Scholar and mineral websites. Pretty amazing composition and properties. Look at the Japanese patent, too. Don't rely on other people's interpretation of the science . . . do it yourself. For example, here's some unrelated, but very important science that I track: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&scoring=r&q=egcg&as_ylo=2007 That's just from this year!
Live long and prosper!
Carl Kuyath — 26 December 2007, 11:30
So far, I haven't seen any science about the foot pads. Testimonials are not science. The science I would need is an offical medical blood test to determine all the chemicals in the body. Anderson Cooper had it done on his CNN show. Once the levels of toxins have been verified in one's body, then the detox-pads can be applied as directed for the length of time stated. Next, the blood test need to be repeated to deterime a change in the level of toxins in one's body. Also, the fact that it is advertized on TV and doesn't mention seeing one's doctor first, I feel like it is just the latest in the long line of "snake oil" peddled to the public to profit off of their desires and fears.
DAR — 26 December 2007, 17:12
I'm curious to know if I take an iron supplement would the footpads identify that as a heavy metal and remove it from my system? Thoughts?
Yo mama — 26 December 2007, 20:05
What are yall wearing?
Andrea the Esthetician — 27 December 2007, 15:25
Just fyi. The commercial stated FDA registered. Not FDA approved. I do think it is plausible, as we excrete all kinds of waste through our skin. Will probably try the less expensive pads first, and then see. :-)
Joyce — 27 December 2007, 18:00
What a world we live in--toxin free body, wrinkle free body, fat free body, etc. And the sad part is, we're all going to get old and ultimately something is going to end our lives. So why waste our money on "miracle cures". Spend your money on treats for yourself, a chocolate bar, a new article of clothing, a CD you have been wanting. I'm not against healthier living, but all this is getting out of control these days. And remember the old saying, a fool and his money are soon parted.
Yo mama — 27 December 2007, 20:07
I'm going to wear my feet pads while I'm otherwise naked.
Gimmeabreak — 27 December 2007, 21:09
Joyce, if that's the way we should live then I guess I can tell my daughter it's okay to not make her bed because she will mess it up again anyhow and my son can stop taking a bath because he'll just get dirty anyhow.
desqjockey — 28 December 2007, 00:19
Are people getting pay per post money from Kinoki/Avon or something? Lady T's comment makes no sense- she was using a "higher" product and then checked out the web page after seeing a TV advert... so? thanks for sharing. Looks fishy.
RadarTheKat — 28 December 2007, 11:11
I've got the cure for all, well most all, that ails you. I came up with a diet that will not only cleanse your innards, but will help you lose weight, become more flexible, and generally feel better every day. I even have a name for it. I call it the 2x4 diet. Are you ready for this. Here goes. Drink two liters (or quarts if you prefer) of water by 4pm each day. That's it. Nothing more to it. you'll be fine.
DANGER - Be careful to not . Too much can kill you.
Anatomy Instructor — 28 December 2007, 20:51
I just watched a commercial for the product and immediately thought snake oil. Pay attention to the poisons listed in the blood of the people using the product. One of them is thulium. This is one of the rarest of the rare earth elements. It can be used in making microweave equipment, but doesn't have much practical applications. I seriously doubt that any of us would have it in our blood stream. Yes, we are "exposed" to various toxins, but some poisons of this planet we wouldn't encounter. Thulium is one of those chemicals.
Some of the people state "it works for me...nothing else matters."
Problem is , then this can lead to complications from your original condition. The placebo effect is NOT a true cure for parasites and various poisonings.
One last thing....RadarTheKat...be careful to not drink too much water, since this can lead to a condition called water intoxication. Talk to your physician about proper water intake based upon body size.
Roy Sencio — 29 December 2007, 00:10
So does Kinoki really work?
Brent — 29 December 2007, 07:56
Thanks Anatomy Instructor! Those are great points. I hadn't thought about your point about 'placebo effect', but that makes a lot of sense.
Fobstar — 29 December 2007, 16:53
I agree with most of what RationalSkeptik said earlier. However, the ad seems to imply that as you continue to use the pads, the residue on the pads seems to get lighter in color, and decreases in amount. If the pads indeed contain some sort of chemical indicator that changes colors with pH, urea, etc... then why the decrease in "gunk" with prolonged use??
Lincho — 30 December 2007, 07:27
I was given a set of the Avon patches, a three night program. 1st night, couldn't sleep, rare for me, and never if not stressed over something. 2nd night, slept OK, probably weary from 1st night. 3rd night, slept way too long and chilled all day afterward. But,it was a cold day, 74 in my family room.
Did they work? Well, I don't know. Other than being tired, I have not noticed any changes.
Will I buy them? Not for without further research.
J — 30 December 2007, 10:32
The TV commercial says "Great for..." and then lists about 10 diseases. THAT is a dead giveaway that it's quackery!
Dr of neurotoxicology — 31 December 2007, 08:41
I'm a neuro-toxicologist at Ohio State University. After seeing the commercial I decided to search the web to see if the company makes any claims on how the product works. My suspicions were immediatly aroused after seeing the commercial.
From my experience, none of these products work, but I like to investigate them to use as examples in my lectures. In just a few short sentences I can tell you why they cannot live up to their claims. But first, why the turning brown? Easy, its the vinegar, see for yourself. Leave a jar of mayonnaise out on your counter for several days and see what happens. It will start to turn brown. Then look at the ingredients. It contains vinegar. The claims are that the foot pads contains double distilled bamboo vinegar, and this is the main active ingredient in the foot pads.
And now why will the foot pads not work? First, while the skin may be an effective way to absorb substances, it is not a very effective organ at extruding them. For this purpose the liver, kidney and urethra are most effective. Many of these minerals are too large to move across membranes ie. blood vessels and cells, by passive transport ( diffusion or no use of energy ). They must be moved out of the blood stream into the urine and only the urine by active transport ( requires the use of energy, or ATP ). By design these foot pads work on the premise of diffusion, or moving from areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration across membranes. One problem here, the skin is not a membrane...... So how does it supposedly work? After all there are tests that confirm it claims. this too is easily explained, ask and drug user trying to pass a drug test. Vinegar shuts down the kidneys, thus preventing the passing of any toxins into the urine or any other deposit location of toxins, including hair, for a short period of time. These products do not cleanse the body. in fact they do the opposite, the keep toxins from leaving the body. If you wish to get the same effect, drink a cup of vinegar a day but don't do it for too long, its not healthy, but you will save a lot of money.
Dr of neurotoxicology — 31 December 2007, 08:43
I'm a neuro-toxicologist at Ohio State University. After seeing the commercial I decided to search the web to see if the company makes any claims on how the product works. My suspicions were immediately aroused after seeing the commercial. From my experience, none of these products work, but I like to investigate them to use as examples in my lectures. In just a few short sentences I can tell you why they cannot live up to their claims. But first, why the turning brown? Easy, its the vinegar, see for yourself. Leave a jar of mayonnaise out on your counter for several days and see what happens. It will start to turn brown. Then look at the ingredients. It contains vinegar. The claims are that the foot pads contains double distilled bamboo vinegar, and this is the main active ingredient in the foot pads. And now why will the foot pads not work? First, while the skin may be an effective way to absorb substances, it is not a very effective organ at extruding them. For this purpose the liver, kidney and urethra are most effective. Many of these minerals are too large to move across membranes ie. blood vessels and cells, by passive transport ( diffusion or no use of energy ). They must be moved out of the blood stream into the urine and only the urine by active transport ( requires the use of energy, or ATP ). By design these foot pads work on the premise of diffusion, or moving from areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration across membranes. One problem here, the skin is not a membrane...... So how does it supposedly work? After all there are tests that confirm it claims. this too is easily explained, ask and drug user trying to pass a drug test. Vinegar shuts down the kidneys, thus preventing the passing of any toxins into the urine or any other deposit location of toxins, including hair, for a short period of time. These products do not cleanse the body. in fact they do the opposite, they keep toxins from leaving the body. If you wish to get the same effect, drink a cup of vinegar a day but don't do it for too long, its not healthy, but you will save a lot of money.
CM348 — 31 December 2007, 10:06
If drinking vinegar does that, then why do people drink apple cider vinegar to help them lose weight?
diana — 31 December 2007, 10:55
I am not a doctor nor am I an expert in the field. My question is one based on pure common sense. If the skin can absorb substances, then why not in extruding them. Do we not extrude substances when we sweat? If not, then why do smokers extrude the nicotine from their bodies that show up on clothes? Why is there salt rings on clothing after someone has excersised and then the clothing dries. leaves a ring of salt. right? What is so different from these pads than the foot baths that draw toxins thru the feet. These are used in numerous spas around the U.S. for about $75.00 or more a treatment. Most of our toxins that we incur is from our own government FDA approval. We use radiation to keep the meat that we eat fresh, steroids to enhance growth on chickens for butchering in a 6 week period, other preservatives to keep shelf life longer. This has in turn left us with an unhealthy generation that is now dependent on the FDA for the medicines they now will have to use to stop or help any damage that these so called "safe" measures has caused. Do you realize that the average baby used to be 5 to 6 lbs. now an 8 lb baby is normal. STEROIDS if feel is the cause. Used to be that Chiropractic care was considered bogus. Look how many we have now days. Many can be cured from what ales them from this type of care which is all natural and insurance companies now will cover this care. Any product that is new should not be considered safe or unsafe until extensive research is done. Many of the old time "snake oils" have benefited numerous people over centuries. Its just that if the pharmacutical companies arent making a killing on these products, they are not safe to use. Well, other countries have cures for diseases that the U.S. will not approve. Many of this is due to the money that will be lost because if there is a cure, people will not need the meds for life and that would put a big dent into pockets now wouldn't it. There is an Aids cocktail that is combined into one. The 3 cocktails of the aids meds is owned individually by the 3 major pharmacutical companies. They would not make as much if the 3 were combined. If they were to go this route, it would be cheaper on the patient, but then, they wouldn't make as much money. Wake up people, the government and big money companies have the power to tell us if something is good or bad for us. We need to determine for ourselves if a product works or not. Not everyone will have the same results as we all know, so this product could be a good one. Some of those snake oils just might work. One question would be, "Why do the Japanese live longer than we do and they do not have the obesity we have here in the States." Must be doing something right. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. For $20.00, why would someone not try a product for their own experience. What do you have to lose. If it makes them feel better, why not? May just be one of those medical mysteries that we have no real scientific explanation for. Stranger things have happened. We Americans spend billions of dollars on medical research that never get some projects anywhere. Let the people try a product 1st hand to see if they like it or not before the FDA comes in and decides if it is or not good for us. They have changed their minds about products and foods so much in the past that it makes my head spin. Remember when pork and eggs weren't good for us? Now pork is the "other white meat" and eggs do not make our cholesterol go up any more than it would have to begin with. Red meat causes Gout. Could that be because of all the preservatives and how they radiate the meat? Now our medicines, that people need for their ailments, are overpriced and the side effects are sometimes worse than the disease itself. Could there possibly be any other products out there that our government has not approved that may be a better alternative? I would say Yes. It just needs to be explored more by individuals who are willing to "think outside the box" and try new products even if some of them do not benefit them as advertised. Remember, some of our medications we use now are not beneficial for everyone, so why would this product be any different. It may be just what the doctor ordered ( 10 years from now ).
Dr of neurotoxicology — 31 December 2007, 16:02
Diana, read it again. I think he answered that. The skin dosent do that because it cant. Same reason why we dont pee out our anus. Explain to me why the web site offers no clinical evidence??? Oh thats right... because it cant!
Curious — 01 January 2008, 08:40
Why do the pads clear up after continous use?
baylady — 01 January 2008, 12:44
I just saw a commercial for these and was curious. I'm so glad I found this site! Much of what's been explained on here makes so much sense.
Jen — 01 January 2008, 16:44
Most people have reported that the pads do not clear up after continuous use...
The Chem Major Kid — 01 January 2008, 17:54
...I really don't even know what to say to half the people who replied in defense of this product. Looking at both sides here's what i see. In opposition: 1. Thulium? WTF... joke in itself. If these pads extract that from your body save the pads. At 60$ a gram you'd save some money. http://www.speclab.com/elements/thulium.htm 2. Heavy metals being diffused out of the blood vessels and through the skin is bogus. 3. Vinegar is the main active ingredient, and is known for it's habit of turning brown when exposed to air.
In support? 1. Personal testimony. 2. Attacks against FDA and Pharmaceuticals companies.
All I have to say is if your going to try to sway anyone's opinion you should do so with facts and evidence instead of changing the focus of your argument to an attack against an irrelevant party.
Not a Dr. Just a logical thinker — 02 January 2008, 11:09
Well after reading all the post above I have come to the conclusion that it is very possible that these pads are bogus and the positive results that people feel after using them are the result of the placebo effect. Question though what happens if one who is skeptical of this Product goes to CVS and buys a box, and begins feeling better after using them?
I saw the point that was made in referencing pharmaceutical companies in defense of this product.
J4 — 03 January 2008, 01:00
Very small amounts of heavy metals are normally excreted through the skin, especially in high levels of exposure. To suggest that it's completely impervious to any simple molecule seems absurd, but to suggest that a these pads are going to not only make the skin dramatically more permeable to toxins, but draw them out to a therapeutic degree requires some proof to be believable.
Testimonials are only considered by people who want to believe, especially when it's of the "I felt better" variety. They're about as far as one can get from polling with any degree of statistical accuracy and embarrassed people tend to speak out less than enthusiastically satisfied people. Anybody getting hair, blood, or urine tests done?
The distinct lack of actual numbers in claims seems quite suspicious, especially considering that the claim is for something measurable. How much of each toxin is brought into the pad? What were the tox results before, during, after. What happened to levels after treatment was suspended immediately and months after? What about a placebo and control group?
If this were legitimate, it wouldn't take a very big study to churn out some supporting numbers, especially with something so measurable for each and every participant. It wouldn't require as large of a sample size as would an either/or situation and tox tests don't involve the grey area of how the person feels.
The only numbers I've seen have to do with price and pad quantity. Turn pads brown and then stop turning them brown all you want, it's all meaningless without statistical numbers. Without a lot more information, "Brown" says nothing, it analyzes nothing.
If these things are sucking out toxins, what's stopping them from pulling nutrients too?
Jewls — 03 January 2008, 03:28
I checked these guys out through the Better Business Bureau. They cannot locate the company. Hmmmm. I smell fraud. Do your own research on Everyone you do business with before giving them money.
Sean Price — 03 January 2008, 19:20
LOL at anyone pointing out FDA in any of this. I could care less whats approved by the FDA because alot of the stuff approved keeps you sick and in actuality can kill you. Pharmeceuticals as well ar a joke to me as they are draining pockets too, what do you think all the stupid commercials are for everyday you see promoting a new medicine? Does medicine heal? Vitamin and Minerals are what keeps the body healthy, how would say a prozac provide that or any health benefit to the body? It won't, it just presses the issue without any actual benefit. Do these pads work? Maybe or maybe not, but don't follow the FDA or your doctors advice when in reality they are just out there for the money and actually keep you sick by telling you things are not good and downing them so you won't use and get better. I take a superfood called Chlorella which takes out heavy metals from the Cells and actually cleanses the blood as well, now tell me what DRUG is going to do that for me? It's not promoted though or FDA approved right? It's a food in actuality and very healthy for you and cheap, read up on it. I don't look to the FDA or any article written by an MD to down something because they are usually full of lies that the dumb will follow and turn them away because they wan't you to stay sick and on meds. Do you and find out for yourself.
mr mean — 04 January 2008, 19:24
Chlorella??? Your kidding right? Just as much of a scam as these foot pads. Im sorry but If natural medicines worked so well than why arnt they used more commonly? Its because natural drugs are highly unstable and not easily absorbed by the body. That why most drugs are slightly acidic in their chemical structure. If not they wont be absorbed. All natural medicines are basically placebos. But clinically, in regards to these type of "medicines", placebos are just as effective as perscription drugs. Especially in regards to anti depressants.
ReverendCalderon — 04 January 2008, 21:05
Bottom line, These pads are good for those who wish to believe in them.. Just like Faith, excercise, meds, be it chemical or natural.. Vitamins work.. just remember anythin in excess is bad period.. that is where you side effects come from.. otherwise ask a toxologist.. Chemist.. etc.. as far as meds for Hiv not Aids.. duh.. get your facts together.. Aids is not the virus.. it is Hiv.. anyway those who have Hiv.. are very grateful there are medicines even with all the side effects.. just see how long term survivors are aound with more then 20 years now.. versus before.. and before you say well there are those who cure themselves bull crap.. there is not one actual documented case that they where hiv+ and went to church and got cured and are now hiv neg.. show me the papers.. Yes drug companies do push and want you to ask your doc about the new med it makes money.. the problem is they give you suppresent sorry for the spelling.. not a cure ever.. otherwise they would be out of busines.. well that is my opinion and I could be wrong.. thanks..
Harry — 05 January 2008, 10:20
I read an article recently where most doctors reported perscribing placebos, and yes, drug companies do make them, to patients up to twenty percent of the time. I think it was in the Columbus Dispatch this past week. Amazing, but not really
JB — 05 January 2008, 15:41
I think there are worthless "snake oils" out there. However, there are a lot of non-medical treatments that do work.
I think that modern medicine has a lot still to learn, and so do most scientists otherwise why would we still be doing research.
I really want both sides to meet somewhere in the middle. A clinical study of even 100 people's before and after results would be a start. And then do a test of 100 people in each state. And then more throughout the world.
The proof is in the documented tests, not in testimonials.
Diane — 05 January 2008, 21:09
I purchased these pads and after 7 days the pads were still as brown on day one as one day seven. I decided to drop a few drops of water onto the pad and sure enough the same effect occured, goey and slimmie brown. I am not impressed but for $19.99 plus shipping. I unfortunately signed up for monthly renewals which it sounds like I will have trouble stopping. Just sounded too good to be true...
cubfan023 — 06 January 2008, 06:56
To all the Chemist, Doctors and Scientist responding on this forum. We all know that leaving mayonaise out on a counter will turn brown, but leaving a partially eaten apple turns brown, meat left out turns brown, a pealed banana turns brown, etc. I have used this patch for a week and have palced them on my back, arms and side of my body, yet the only time the patches turn a dark color is when they are on my feet, why is this? I do not wear a sock, so it can't be sweat. I must also state I haven't noticed any bursed of energy from wearing these patched and do not claim they work. I was just wondering why they only turn a dark color when worn on the feet.
Sensei — 06 January 2008, 08:08
Beware of quick fixes while you sleep. A healthly diet and lifestyle including exercise is still the best method to try to maintain decent health. You do have built up toxins in your body from a long time ago which do not get removed that easily. The idea is to get rid of them and start fresh. The olny way you can do that is to make sure your colon is in good shape by healing, rebuilding and restorating your large intestine to its natural shape, size and functioning ability. The bottom line is to do a colon cleanse, but most people find it embarrassing and are scared. Get over it if you are serious about good health. Just do 2-3 treatments at first to get the deep toxins out then maintain it over time through proper diet! Anyone who is not a doctor can tell you most toxins get removed by your organs and then out to the toilet they go (your skin is an organ but the bottoms of your feet are not big enough or as effective as the large intestine). In order to do this you have to have healthly organs and colon. Your body needs to be in an alkaline state not acid state so work on that (checkout alkaline food charts on the internet to inform you what is alkaline and acid and eat accordingly)! Also try Wheatgrass for removing toxins and other amazing energy benefits naturally through enzymes etc.. These things that I am mentioning are proven in the science community. Google it if you are unsure. Foot pads can't remove all your body toxins though the feet only the bowels and urine tract can do that.
Sensei — 06 January 2008, 08:32
Another valid point is that most people who suffer from unbalanced pH are in an acidic state which is harmful to the body in many ways. This state makes the body borrow minerals like calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium from your vital organs and bones to help buffer the acid and remove it from the body. Because of this stress, the body may produce major and prolonged damage due to the high acidity in the body which may go undetected for years. Therefore, sickness sets in because the organs can function right. Foot pads can't change the bodies Ph condition! Only healthy organs, bones, tissues and fluid can. This is a medical fact. So work on getting an Alkaline state in your body to remove toxins.
ThinkFirst — 06 January 2008, 16:16
Ahaha! I love reflexology pseudo-science! Anyone who is considering dumping money into this scam should first research some terms like "toxicology", "placebo effect", "critical thinking" and "correlation does not imply causation".
MadDog Hendersen — 07 January 2008, 08:49
Every thing that I've read so far, said one thing to me, it's a scam. Seems like a lot of people want to believe but don't check it out first. Then complain that they got ripped off. Some one is making lots of money and isn't likely to give it back either. Some one posted that " it sounded to good to be true" if it sounds to good to be true chances are that it isn't true. I am also glad that I found this site, there were a lot of very interesting and intelligent things said and pointed out. Thank you Brent, Rational Skeptik, Dr. of Neurotoxicology, Sensei and ThinkFirst for your insites. What all of you said made sense to me. So like they say " buyer beware ".
Brent — 09 January 2008, 10:10
Thanks MadDog! It sure struck me as a scam, and as I read the comments to this post, I'm only more convinced.
guest — 07 January 2008, 16:26
I saw the commercial and it looked like a fraud, knowing that the skin is thick on the feet and minerals don't go through blood vessels and skin. Cellulite and parasites? Cellulite is just fat. How is fat from your tighs(from the outer layer where blood vessels are rare) is supposed to travel to your feet?
jay — 09 January 2008, 18:53
Anatomy Instructor - One last thing....RadarTheKat...be careful to not drink too much water, since this can lead to a condition called water intoxication. Talk to your physician about proper water intake based upon body size. ================================
That's true. It's a complete bogus lie to drink 8 glasses a day. It actually washes away good things in your body :)
Having said that, to get water intoxication you have to drink an utterly insane amount of water (we're talking gallons and gallons all at once). Unless you're running a marathon it's HIGHLY unlikely you'll die of water intoxication.
aj — 10 January 2008, 10:01
I should've read this before buying the product. It was a scam!
aj — 10 January 2008, 10:22
ordered the product online in Oct.2007. Emailed the company in November because I had not received the pads. Got no response. Called the credit card company to dispute the charge in December (still under investigation). Finally the company sent me the pad in Janaury (3 months after I placed my order!). But they only sent me half of the producut that I should received (I got this buy one get one free promotion but they only sent me one set of the pads!). I used it for the first time last night and realized this whole thing is just a scam! The idea of this product is just nonsense! Basically you just stick something that looks like tea bags with who-knows-what inside the bags onto the bottom of your feet. The "herbal powder" in the bag melts with your sweat and makes it sticky and smelly!It doesn't do anything but makes my feet sticky and stained my sheets. It has a funny smell too! I just don't understand how it is possible to detox your body. Now I am afraid they'll charge my credit card every month with this "life time auto renew program". For everyone out there that is thinking about trying this product, my suggestion is "don't!". It's better to spend that money on fruits like apples, which is a natural and healthy way to detox your body.
angry viking — 10 January 2008, 22:28
I wanted to try that stuff so I placed an order over the phone. The first thing that threw me off was the woman who picked up the phone; - she sounded half dead but with an eerie accent as if she was partially comatose! As if the voice wasnít odd enough, I immediately became suspicious when I heard the shipping and handling was something like $10. Who pays $10 to ship something that is so small and non fragile? The fee for shipping was half the total purchase price of the product itself! Regardless I still wanted to try it so I placed the order. Then this half dead zombie cunt started to bombard me with countless additional offers like playboy magazine free trials. She told me they would send me a free lifetime supply and I would just pay for shipping $12-13. How is this free if I am paying $13 for 10 pads? I told her explicitly that I only wanted to try the 1 week 1week free deal and nothing else. Now its been over a month and I havenít received anything. I am rarely if ever cheated and fooled by others so this whole thing has made me furious. I went online to their site and typed in my zip code for order status and it says NO ORDER found. I have yet to receive my credit card statement and if I see a charge I will beat my neighbors cat with a shovel and then go call my bank and try to sort this mess. The zombie said it takes 10-15 business days for shipping too, its been over a month now... errr
KatsKlau — 11 January 2008, 13:26
I have never used this product or bought this product. I do not endorse this product or claim fraud. I just have my personal opinion.
People pay hundreds of dollars to be coated with mud, to sit in mud baths or to have clay rubbed on them, to have body wraps and exfoliating scrubs. People pay this money to spas and the like because they believe in the processes that detox the body and draw out impurities. So thats my rebuttal to everyone stating that the skin, (which is an organ like the liver, and does excrete impurities through something called "pores"), does not excrete impurities or toxins.
Also, metals and toxins reside quite happily within our organs and for most people they cause a lot of misery from aches and pain to chronic diseases caused by microbes and parasites that leech and thrive on these metals. Wouldn't you want to get these out of your system if you could?
Thirdly, aaah the feet. Reflexologists know about the healing power of foot detoxification. There are areas in the foot called "crunchies", basically they are palpable build ups of toxins and urea crystals (also see: gout) by reflexologists and when broken up they cause a rapid flush and detox causing the person to rise in body temperature, sweat and excrete toxins that can actually be smelled. There have been studies done, as Dr. Oz stated on Oprah on 1/8/07, that show that when certain points in the foot are pressed thru accupressure points, parts of the brain light up in a catscan. Western medicine can offer no correlation for this. As Dr. Oz says, Western medicine cannot account for alot of things.
So do these patches work? Would it be completely absurd to believe that a patch draws out impurities? Well think of facial "patches" or masks. No one questions them. They draw out dirt, oil and chemicals out of our noses, faces and throats. I would venture to guess that if the commercial claimed that it had the same ingredients as a Clearasil Face mask and draws out impurities in the dame way no one would question it. I think most of the skeptics and cynics on this site place whole faith in western medicine and label any homeopathic, or alternative medicine and bologna.
Lets stop speculating and actually test these patches.
KatsKlau — 11 January 2008, 13:30
I have never used this product or bought this product. I do not endorse this product or claim fraud. I just have my personal opinion.
People pay hundreds of dollars to be coated with mud, to sit in mud baths or to have clay rubbed on them, to have body wraps and exfoliating scrubs. People pay this money to spas and the like because they believe in the processes that detox the body and draw out impurities. So thats my rebuttal to everyone stating that the skin, (which is an organ like the liver, and does excrete impurities through something called "pores"), does not excrete impurities or toxins.
Also, metals and toxins reside quite happily within our organs and for most people they cause a lot of misery from aches and pain to chronic diseases caused by microbes and parasites that leech and thrive on these metals. Wouldn't you want to get these out of your system if you could?
Thirdly, aaah the feet. Reflexologists know about the healing power of foot detoxification. There are areas in the foot called "crunchies" by reflexologists, they are palpable build ups of toxins and urea crystals (also see: gout), and when broken up they cause a rapid flush and detox causing the person to rise in body temperature, sweat and excrete toxins that can actually be smelled. There have been studies done, as Dr. Oz stated on Oprah on 1/8/07, that show that when certain points in the foot are pressed thru accupressure points, parts of the brain light up in a catscan. Western medicine can offer no correlation for this. As Dr. Oz says, Western medicine cannot account for alot of things.
So do these patches work? Would it be completely absurd to believe that a patch draws out impurities? Well think of facial "patches" or masks. No one questions them. They draw out dirt, oil and chemicals out of our noses, faces and throats. I would venture to guess that if the commercial claimed that it had the same ingredients as a Clearasil Face mask and draws out impurities in the same way no one would question it. I think most of the skeptics and cynics on this site place whole faith in western medicine and label any homeopathic, or alternative medicine as bologna.
Lets stop speculating and actually test these patches.
Daniel in Wilmington, DE — 11 January 2008, 18:12
aw come on people, making your own claims whether they work or not, based on hunches or on existing biases- unless your senses- like 'i sensed it was a scam' has made you happy, wealthy and wise, then it is of no value to the rest of us... like one of the posts said, 'lets stop speculating and actually test these patches. Guess what, I have stage 3 colon cancer and since I began using these patches (and yes, I am quietly skeptical as most men with a college degree and a few life experiences under my belt should be) I have been feeling better and having less side effects from chemo and radiation than before- and oh yeah, I'm sleeping better too and have more energy that even my oncologist has noticed.... so again, stop your useless speculation, you sound as sensationalistic as some of the claims made by these companies...
Frank M — 12 January 2008, 14:31
Good luck with your colon cancer. If I was in your position I would try any and everything. Keep the positive attitude!
BTW - I bought the pads and used them for a few days a few months ago (not this brand) and yes I had day one - brown, day two very light.. I'm not sure if it works or not - or if it is vinegar like others say. It would be great if someone really did a very scientific test with blood tests before and after. Perhaps Oprah or Ralph Nader will.. There certainly seems to be a lot of interest here.
At the same time, perhaps it is a scam, and why would that be a surprise?
I also agree with the person who posted above that the drug companies probably have access to cures that would put them out of business - so they hide them.
Look what happened to the electric car.. buried and destroyed.
Rico — 12 January 2008, 22:54
Right on Angry Viking. I am glad you all put the truth out there about this bullshit product. I was this close to ordering it myself but since you mentioned the zombie cunt to me and the rediculous attempts at further marketing there is no way I am wasting my money on this crap. We all want to find a way to be healthier, and these low life scum bucket rat bastards will always be lurking in the shadows waiting to exploit that...
Keith L — 13 January 2008, 00:10
There are "foot bathing" machines that do the same thing and sell for about $1500 or so. I believe it works on negative ionazation or something like that. The foot also has the greatest concentration of either nerves or sweat glands which acupuncturists have acknowledge just like the ear has the greatest amount of acupuncture points for incorrect cures of the foot.
Keith L — 13 January 2008, 00:21
There also is another competing product which you connect a copper wire to a spcial pad and the copper wire goes to the ground outside. It is supposed to do the same thing and re-energize your system. You get longer sleep and are not sluggish at the middle of the day. Toxins are not removed but your body cells are realigned with the magnet energy of the earth. Cost is about $250-$300 and slightly higher for a King size bed. With multiple products available and using difference technology something has to be going on in the body.
Keith L — 13 January 2008, 00:53
I've read all of the questions/statements. Seems like one should just get some bamboo vinegar and put it on a pad at night and should be able to get the same results. No real mention of a placebo test for this product yet either. Maybe someone who is on a long-term medical clinic test can put this on their foot and see the blood test results after one month in comparison with once-a-month blood tests from prior blood draws. From the commercial ad I should be able to eliminate any medical insurance and just purchase this product for the next twenty years and never become ill during that period of time. Maybe this is something which Medicade and Medicare should be promoting to reduce their medicine costs.
Keith L — 13 January 2008, 01:01
A common fraud technique from what I have read is to offer something which cannot be delivered. A lifetime guarantee but only paying Shipping and Handling shows that the product is overpriced. How much does Bamboo Vinegar cost and how much do 10 cotton pads cost. Shipping would be about $3 and handling is not worth $7 for a producable product of less than $1. If S & H would be $5 I could go for it but when the S & H is $10 you are paying for the product in the S & H amount so the advertising statements would be fraudulent. If not then state law should be adjusted so Handling charges have to be a realistic number. Also, if they have costs of $10 then why can Netflix ship for so little money. If they have costs of $10 for S & H you would see a company in bankruptcy for a very short period of time.
Lingual Artitht — 13 January 2008, 01:56
Why can't a Dr. of Neurotoxicology @ "The" Ohio State University spell the word vinegar? This seems as suspect as the product itself.
jb — 13 January 2008, 08:28
Rose. M — 13 January 2008, 09:08
He can't spell sentence either!
jason ed — 13 January 2008, 23:05
I bought the pads and have used them the last 2 nights. I can't say i have not noticed anything yet but who knows. The skinny on this is people want the quick fix, me included. We want to drink our beer, smoke our cigaretts, and do all of the distructive things to our body and not get sick and feel just fine. Living the lifestyle that most of us do is just asking for trouble. And these things are just something to make us feel like were doing something good for our bodies. And chances are its not. But tonight when i go to bed i will be wearing my snakeoil foot pads and hoping for the best.
Not Buying It in AZ — 14 January 2008, 00:07
Saw the ad and couldn't believe it. I had a 'friend' try and sell me the detox foot spa too - didn't buy that thing either! Thank you for providing some logical reasoning on this silly fad.
I haven't looked yet, but this should be an 'Urban Legend'... Like it or not people have been doing and selling silly things for centuries. One can only hope that someone along the way - like everyone here - will educate themselves as to the facts and not accept everything just because it's on TV.
reality not magic — 14 January 2008, 00:37
So sad. Life expectancy is up and medical advances and procedures are light years ahead of where they once were but conspiracy buffs can't get over their fantasies about hidden cures we aren't told about because of drug companies and doctors lining their pockets. There are problems in the medical establishment--no doubt about it--and well-informed patients are the best defense against abuse. But give me a break--one writer here says two--just two-treatments made her and her husband feel ten years younger--ten years!--cleared up their mental agility, eased their aches and pains, and who knows what else. Maybe we all should search for the wizard with the magic wand that the FDA is keeping prisoner. To those people who disdain establishment medical assistance--doctors, antibiotics, surgery, life-prolonging medications and more--fine. Just don't expect me to feel sorry for your 1850's style end of life or help foot the bill for your probably uninsured medical problems when you do show up at a hospital emergency room. There's nothing wrong with healthy living--eating right, exercising, and not letting medical problems fester. But don't fall into conspiracy beliefs as a way to explain a complex world in which things happen and logic doesn't always prevail. The fuss over these foot pads is harmless enough. What's sad is reliance on magic potions, elixirs and yes, wacky, treatments when something serious is at stake. The body does have wonderful natural healing powers and can put up with a lot, which argues for restraint and thought in medical care--not overcare. But writing off modern care per se and searching for miracles and unscientific and unproven truths is a sad commentary on an inbility to deal with life, reality, and the modern world.
Sati Rical — 14 January 2008, 08:46
I saw these Detox Foot pads and I'm telling you they do turn brown! I woke up after an 8 hr. night sleep feeling refreshed and energized. I can't believe what all of the prior postings are saying about how this product is a scam. Come on, they are probably the fools who purchased and are still waiting for their product to come in the mail! For all of you who are with me on this, I have an even better product. Please send me $29.95 for a one year supply, money back guaranteed! This really works. It's an all natural product, no side effects whatsoever. Simple, plain and true!
skeptical — 14 January 2008, 09:44
I've been using these pads for 12 days now. I have NOT noticed any burst of energy, but have noticed the pads are still very dark in color. Must have a lot of toxins in my body or like other people have said on this post, its just sweat from my feet. I paid $50 for 40 pads, so I will continue to use up the rest of the pads to see what happens, but doubt very much I will buy anymore.
not falling for this one... — 14 January 2008, 12:25
Do any of you remember as a kid the "invisible ink" you could use to write your secret notes with that could be read by holding them over a hot light bulb? Hmm...I seem to remember it was vinegar!! Vinegar also turns brown when exposed to heat!! Could that be the source of the brown color on your pad? Just a thought...
Richard Head — 14 January 2008, 20:56
I can't believe all the skepticism! Where's the trust? These footpads are truly amazing. They were able to remove the toxic 30.00 from my credit card account in a matter of seconds!
Angry Viking — 15 January 2008, 15:02
Update to my story guys, I called my credit card company today and of course Kinoki Corps charged my card for $30. I told the bank to be on guard for future charges because I did not sign up for that monthly update, I only asked for 1 week/1 week free deal, nothing else The credit card company gave me a number they had from Kinoki so that I may call them and confirm my original order status. Its been over a month, - I was promised 10-15 days tops by salesperson. Guess what??? LOL when I called that number there was nobody there!!! I got a line is busy signal. So I went on their official website and got a number... I called that one... Guess what??? Line is busy sound only this time I can hear someone in background typing on a keyboard. WTF is going on here??? All their contact information is fake!!! For hours nonstop their lines are busy, both their official customer support number and the one they provided my credit card company whilst making the charge. Its as if you call them and you reach phones that arenít connected, you get that sound as if you got hanged up on or it was never working in the first place!
I am not here to argue whether or not these pads work or not. Obviously if I didnít believe in alternative treatments I would have never ordered this stuff in the first place but man o man this particular company ďKinokiĒ is pure fraud. There is no way to contact them, no way to reach them. When I go online to their site to check my order it says no such order found. All their contact info is spurious and leads nowhere. I paid in full and its now my 2nd month and I have nothing. This BS has caused me more stress and toxins then any lifetime of Japanese foot pads can solve. Making a TV commercial, buying airtime to show it during holidays, building a website, setting up fake phone numbers, this isnít exactly a 1 man operation... People like this are the lowest form of scum, Ill at least have some respect for a thief that robs me face to face.
skeptical — 16 January 2008, 06:39
I got my pads from http://www.holistec.com/. 40 pads for $50 and I got them within 3 days after ordering them, but as I stated earlier after 15 days of using them I have NOT experienced any burst of energy as some people have claimed. The pads still continue to be dark in color so I'm either very toxic or my feet are just very dirty and sweaty as some people claim to be the chemical reaction to the pads turning dark.
Clever Dingbat — 16 January 2008, 08:14
I want to know if with periodic use the brown stuff gets lighter and lighter...this might suggest that the patches do draw something from your body and over a period say five days, ones body gets ends up "lighter" from toxins.
I also wonder if anyone has conducted a test, for example one that simulates the foot conditions by applying a pad to a dense sponge with moisture and kept at body temperature for 8 hours, to see what happens. I will try to do it, I just need to find a way to apply the even body temperature, maybe I will use my own skin except that I will block the passing of "my moisture" and possible my toxins onto the test patch. I will post the results, I hope other people do a similar test and we can compare.
Clever Dingbat — 16 January 2008, 09:09
I just started a test, I applied a moist sponge over a patch and It started to get brown and smelly instantly, the same as when you take the pad off your foot, except the on the foot the moisture takes longer to impregnate the pad. Just to be more accurate with the test I have it over something worm that is virtually body temperature (my external drive) and will have it there for 8 hours. I can see already that it is very likely a hoax... or I am missing something.... I bought it at a reputable natural Pharmacy in Vancouver BC and I will go there to talk to them today, possible return the merchandise.
looloolarue — 16 January 2008, 10:36
Lets just say that this product does in fact work. OK. You can get the same results from drinking 8-10 glasses of water a day and then scrubbing your body clean when you bathe. Your body has a natural detox system...and on top of that..water helps digestion, appetite, metabolism, skin, other bodily functions..and is basically FREE
SkyPilot — 17 January 2008, 12:14
Actually these kind of pads are sold all over the world under a variety of names, you can probably buy them at the local drugstore. The chemicals in the pad magically turn brown and gunky when exposed to water or sweat. It's all part of the stupid-tax that some of the less fortunate among us have to pay as a price for living in this world.
BONO — 17 January 2008, 13:15
YOU PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE ALL THAT CRAP. WELL, I HAVE A PAD IF PUT ON YOUR HEAD AFTER YOU SHAVE IT, WILL MAKE YOUR BRAIN SMARTER.
smallfrye — 17 January 2008, 13:24
Anyone who believes this should be shipped off to Never-Neverland - I work for a TV station which airs the commercial for the Kinoki Pads - After seeing this commercial a few times, I noticed that something wasn't right, besides the fact that the product is a gimmick - On the "Lab Results" portion of the commercial, they misspelled the word alcohol, twice! Seriously, if they can't spell the toxin that their product supposedly removes from your system, then you probably shouldn't be putting your confidence in the product in the first place.
Tammyinderby — 17 January 2008, 14:46
My husband and I bought the kinoki off a tv commercial. We tried them and they work, but they left somewhat of a weird taste in my mouth. Months went by without ordering any, then out of the blue after 3 months they had taken out of our account, with no product!!!! Three weeks later some where shipped to us, two days later another was shipped. I tryed to contact them with the number provided when ordering, and the number is a non-working number!!!! I even emailed them, don't even remember how I tracked the email down, but here it is another month of them taking money out of our account when our email stated to stop sending and cancel account. Not that they did not work, but due to the fact that it seems fishy to me that there contact info is not even available to me. I do not want to have to pay another dime to them or even to the bank to stop payment!!! Anyone have a working # I can get in contact with them?
Ciel — 19 January 2008, 15:26
I'm never going to buy Kinoki now that I've read all of this.
I might try a similar detox patch from CVS if I can find one, but this all reminds me a lot of when I thought ear candles actually did anything useful. I psyched myself into believing there were results, but was confused when no real change occured and thought that maybe I just couldn't notice what had happened, (ear candles are supposed to clean your ears of waxy build up, but can instead be harmful.) I agree that medicine and chemistry still have a way to go, and I believe in acupuncture and bioenergy, etc., but bad customer service breaks the camel's back when there's already no clinical research and a bad reputation for a product I've never needed or heard about before seeing a commercial with misspelled words. It reminds me of those emails I get that make ridiculus business proposals. I want to have those senders locked in prison for a good decade just for sheer persistant annoyance, forget about dishonesty.
I'll try a cheaper brand if I'm ever curious enough about whether or not it works.
Milo — 19 January 2008, 19:21
Mark Twain was a terrible speller, and Einstien could not dress himself, doesnt mean they did'nt know what they were doing
Britt — 20 January 2008, 05:39
To anyone who thinks that they really work...anyone can think them selves healthy. It's a proven fact of psychology. You can actually THINK yourself sick or well. The mind is more powerful than a lot of people realize; and if you believe that they work, and your headaches will go away...then you headaches might just go away! Talk to any psychologist and they'll tell you that it's true.
Lace — 20 January 2008, 10:52
I wonder if instead of pulling things out of your body if they are actually putting things in. The package states that they have detox herbs in each pad. Your skin absorbs everything it can, if you put a piece of garlic between your toes in less than a minute you will taste the garlic. I wonder if it is putting the detox herbs and vinegar into your system to get your body to cleanse itself. I know my mother drinks a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar every day and swears by it. After trying the product last night I woke up and immediately had to go to the bathroom. Not to be gross, but I think I pooped half my body weight. Today I can still smell the "barbecue smell" that the pad gives off all over my body even after showering. Its a little gross but I know that whatever was in that pad went beyond my feet. My main reason for trying it is because I have severe PMDD and all prescriptions I've been given have HORRIBLE side effects (migraines, extreme fatigue, etc, basically making me unable to work a week out of every month) and this product claims to help with hormone imbalances. I always know to the day when my emotions flair up. I'll keep you posted on whether or not this product worked for me. Also, the lady on the phone was very polite to me. When I said "I'm calling about the product I just saw on tv" she asked "which one" so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with why its hard to get a hold of them or not. I just told her I only wanted to try them this once and not to recharge and so far so good. Only thing is I only got one pack when the commercial did say I'd get two.
don — 20 January 2008, 16:37
wo I can't believe I sat here and read all this. I'm gonna try to soak my feet in a bucket of vinegar and drop a radio in it now
always thinking — 21 January 2008, 00:07
I've done some research into the various makers of these pads and have seen a ton of red flags. One of the big ones is that most either do not list the compounds contained in the pads or give only a vague reference to "detox herbs". I don't doubt, however, that some people feel they are receiving benefits from the product. There is always the placebo effect, of course. Also, based on the information the companies provide, it seems most plausible that the pads are functioning as a delivery system (like a nicotine patch), if anything. Likely they include herbs that act as natural stimulants, which is why some people experience bursts of energy when they get up in the morning. The discoloration is probably the result of a chemical reaction between sweat from the wearer's foot and compounds within the pad. Until I see some real science, I'm not interested in buying.
Eri — 21 January 2008, 20:37
I just bought these and have been using them for three days. Of course they have been turning black as stated they would but they have not yet cleared as it has not been a week yet. What I wonder is this... If all of these people who say it's a scam say that is the sweat of a person's feet turning the pad black because of a chemical reaction then why after a week of using them would they stop turing black. I suppose your feet miraculously stop sweating after a week? I am sceptical of everything but figured I'd try them once to see what the hell the hype was about. I mean people aren't sceptical if it's made in a lab? Then it's positive to work so it's okay to over medicate our kids for ADD AD/HD because some scientist concocted it? Or anidepressents everyone including myself has tried and it's now coming out that they aren't as helpful as we think. Hmmm might be a placebo effect there. But if it's herbs it must not work though they have been around since the beginning of time and used to cure and alleviate all kinds of ailments. So far they have just turned black as stated and I haven't noticed any astounding health benefits but I am also recovering from a stomach virus so I can't really make any judgements yet but we'll see at the end of a week if they begin to get lighter as the toxins are supposedly removed.
BigJK — 22 January 2008, 12:04
Holy smokey Lots of hokey suckered blokey who buys kinoki
sc — 22 January 2008, 17:12
Dr. of neurotoxicology,
To be a doctor at a university, I would think you would know how to spell vinegar!
CONFUSED USER — 22 January 2008, 17:48
ITS SIMPLE REALLY...JUST HAVE A USED PAD ANAYLIZED. THAT WOULD SETTLE ALL THE BULLSHIT
snake oil salesman — 22 January 2008, 22:55
Quite obviously a scam. As is most 'sold on tv' products. I suggest that those of you who are having problems receiving your product file a complaint with your Attorney General's office and to the FTC and SEC.
me — 23 January 2008, 16:58
I'm a chemist and i did some in-home research on these pads. They are the real deal and i'm sad to say i have alot of toxic heavy metals in my body. My tests confirmed that i had high levels of lead, cadmium and copper and low levels (still toxic) of arsenic!. I only used the pads for a week and they got lighter just like the ad said.
Jason — 24 January 2008, 07:21
If the pads are reacting to sweat, why do they stop turning brown after a couple weeks? If you wear these for weeks they stay white or have a very small amount of brown.
When you first put them on, they are dark brown the next day.
Peggy — 25 January 2008, 13:14
I am furious with this company that sells this product..they never answer there phone or call you back...there number is 1-888-642-7005 and they continue to charge my credit card and will not take the charge off. I am going to call my credit card company and report them fraud...I don't feel anything different and the pads continue to stay black after 3 weeks use and don't make any difference...This is a fraudulant companu called Kinoki Detox. Please report if you have the same problem
Amy GB — 25 January 2008, 20:00
I know there are mixed feelings on these things... So, I was curious, and I think that it is a small price to pay for something that could work, or may not. I am someone that has battled migraines my whole life the earliest one I remember, I was 4 years old, I have had 3 surgeries on on my left hand, I have battled fibroids and polyps, plus infertility problems (allergy to my husbands sperm) laugh all you want but about that last one but I am serious, I can keep going on about my issues, so, again I think that spending a few dollars is a small price to pay for something that might help a couple of these issues. It is not a hope for them to work, I am actually expecting them not to work!!! Anyway, I am on night 4 of the pads, I bought some on ebay...alot less expensive too, here are the effects that I have had so far... Night 1 (Tuesday) - I noticed a little tingling arounf my feet, and in the morning I almost slipped getting out of bed and walking to the bathroom because they were soooooo slimey, the color on mine were not black it was a very deep charcoal color. Wednesday I seemed king of jolley, that is not me at all, I am grouchy most of the time. Night 2 (Wednesday) - Again there was the tingle even more of a tinge than the night before, and again the slime effect was really bad, and this time there were black spots on the pads. I noticed that during the day I did not feel the same as I did the day before. I actually seemed really tired, I was so tired that I went home from work and my 3 year old and I took a nap, and then I still went to bed around 10:00, I normally go to bed around midnight or 1 am. Night 3 (Thursday) - I put the pads on a little earlier than I did the last few nights, and I noticed that before I went to bed at around 12, the pads were already nothing but slime, so I changed them, and again with the first and second set last night I had the tingling. So, when I got up this morning they were not as slimey but there was still quite a bit of the slime, and again there were black spots. And again I noticed that during the day today I am very tired, I feel drained, and I was having almost dizzy spells, kind of like the room was spinning Night 4 (Friday) right now - I have a killer migraine, my feet are tingling and the pads have been on now for close to 4 hours and I do not feel the slime at all... So, all in all they are not making me feel very good right now, lets see what the future holds. One other thing I noticed, I am soooooo thirsty. So, make of it what you want, they deffinately have an effect I just don't know if it is good or not!!!
Dc — 26 January 2008, 11:38
I have been using the pads for two weeks. The pads are still brown in the morning. After reading the comments here I opened a new one and added a few drops of water. Within 15 minutes the pad looked like it does in the morning when on my foot...brown and slimy. So my guess is that it is taking moisture from my skin...and that is it. Whether it is drawing toxins out...probably not. Luckily my brother bought these so I am out of the finacial loop. I am 54 years old today in great shape (the body of a 20 something year old) I have taken care of myself consistantly for years. My diet is not fanatical, but I always listen to my body and never abuse it. Drink water, eat fiber, take some vitamins, walk a lot and laugh a lot. Toxins accumulate just like a stagnet pool of water. When the water is not flowing toxins gather. Be like a flowing river and all will be well. Live long and prosper. Save your money until some real studies are done.
gullible gus — 26 January 2008, 12:23
wow..i should get into this market...in this day and age there are still so many willing to give money away so easily! and for nothing lol!
fuzzypurse — 26 January 2008, 17:41
First of all cellulite is not fat, it is not a thing, it is an effect. Fat builds between the skin and muscles and the strings that keep the muscles atatched to the skin get buckled in like a button on your cushion, when they get overstuffed so to speak.. Second...I used these pads and they didnt turn brown at all. soooooo wtf??
Dr. Mercer — 26 January 2008, 20:59
Most likely, you can get the same result from soaking your feet in warm water and Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate) for about fifteen minutes each night. In other words, for about $1.99 you are good for several months. Don't waste your money!
There are only two known ways to remove built up heavy metals toxins in the body. The first, which can have serious side effects and requires close medical supervision, is called "chelation therapy." No need to go into details here, just look up the phrase. The other, radical diet change, takes several months to a year or more to effect any noticeable reduction in metals concentration. While there have been peer-reviewed studies that prove, for example, the toxicity of metals such as lead and mercury, there is still much discussion and controversy on metals such as aluminum (Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Addison's, etc.). However, heavy metals are much more likely to affect pregnant and nursing women (conception issues through neurological of newborns and infants) than other adults. The EPA and the NIH are, despite past FUBARS, still good sources for information on heavy metal toxicity. You can put Kinoki in the same class as "muscles in a bottle," spray sex pheromones and snake oil.
the man — 27 January 2008, 09:01
All Fake just like the get rich jobs make over thousands of dollars in months only in America
henry — 27 January 2008, 13:02
To the experts that say this is bs and why no one has ran "official" test. Their the same ones who takes pills to cure nail infections when vics vapor rub kills the infection in a shorter time peroid for $3.99 with no drs apt or drug companys pill . Its all about money. Why would the drug companys "test" something that is cheep and takes no prescription when they can get rich selling drugs that cost houndreds of dollars a bottle. I have a disabling case of crohns and have spent more time talking to doctors (25 years) than meany of the so called experts that have posted on this site. People with close minds think everything is black or white on paper conserning drugs and never realize that paper is being sold to them comes from the greedy medical/drug companys. Try thinking out of the box and you'll find most things are controlled by money and greed...ie drug companys,ins. companys,doctors..on and on.And last but not least NO one can comment on something they dont know everything about and be sure their telling the truth..hope this puts a few wrenckles in a few minds. Science says one thing one day and then something else later...God bless
henry — 27 January 2008, 13:42
Also one of my meds is a blood thinner that is a patch. How could a patch on the skin of my arm lower my blood pressure? its applyed to the musle part of my arm ? maybe its all in my mind like a lot of people seem to think about anything on this site
PS — 27 January 2008, 15:42
Kinoki-On..... Apply Directly to Your Wallet? Apply Directly to Your Wallet!
Soon to be Rich! — 27 January 2008, 18:33
are you people for real???? CVS, Avon and you think that makes it okay???? Boy oh boy I sure wish I had thought up this scam - have to put my thinking cap on for another product that you, the dumb public will buy - $$$$$$$
Bandage Health Reporter — 28 January 2008, 07:12
Well, I have seen and read many posted remarks. The best I have read so far and only one that would solve all is: Take a used pad and have it tested. I don't believe anyone should be using something on their bodies unless tested and proven to actually work as it says it will. I would like a doctors name that will admit that this product actually does what it says it is used for. I can take your evryday bandage, cover my foot and come morning find a discolor to it. HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did it, I can now start making money by selling bandages for removing metals from your body. I am sure you all have the idea.
Bandage Health Reporter — 28 January 2008, 07:18
Oh yeah, I forgot something, haha. Those of you who talk of Avon and CVS, think very hard now. They CVS sells smokes also , is this good for health?Maybe the wine they sell during the holidays might cure cancer, hmmmmm, let me think, yes, I better go to CVS and gett all my health products from them because they are so good at knowing what to use. Well, maybe someone should ask the CVS pharmacy if they believe this product actually works. I can almost gaurentee they will give you the name of another product.
Bandage Health Reporter — 28 January 2008, 20:40
Sorry folks, lol. I had some typo's in my last post.
mr kinoki — 29 January 2008, 03:54
Two points here. If it worked I think that the makers of Kinoki foot pads would die for FDA approval. In order to be FDA approved something must be proven to be more effective than a placebo. Next point, Since its not more effective than a placebo, It has not been approved.
me — 29 January 2008, 15:40
Just my 2cents. I've used these continuously for a year. My arthritis was so much better. I am an 'alternative medicine' person... very big in herbs and vitamins, haven't had a cold in 22 years. I know what works for me. As far as I'm concerned - in the US - "being alive' is an illness from birth to death.... we are so drug oriented, there's a pill for every little thing. I take care of myself - my husband is in the same place I am. We try to eat well... but look at the food we have here....just compare the organics with the regular food and you'll see the "lack of nutrition". Use your instincts. Other countries are way older than we are and some don't pay their doctor when they get sick.... as society is 'prevention' and treats the entire body. Look at the reflexology of our feet... our meridians - instead of western medicine.... there's more here than meets the eye. I don't use this brand - however, I do feel a difference and THEY DO stop turning color after you use them for a while.... then you have a tendency for stop using them - and in a couple of months - you'll wish you hadn't. Just my view. Hang out at vitamin shops and you'll see people trying to 'maintain' their health; go to a doctor's office and most people are smoking and overeating and asking to be fixed. I go to the dr - just routine exams so I'm not against it.... but fortunatly I found a dr that is open to mixing eastern & western medicine - so I'm lucky.
Terry — 29 January 2008, 20:01
I cannot believe anyone would actually spend their money on a snake oil product....hmmm, on second thought, I can. "A fool and his money are soon parted."
Cynthea — 30 January 2008, 06:36
I'd be nervous about what my body might be absorbing from these pads. It works both ways, stuff can go out and stuff can come in.
Cat — 30 January 2008, 06:47
Called Kinoki this morning at 1-800-773-4433 and was informed my order was going to be delayed three more weeks due to overwelming responce to their ad. I'm not billed yet so I hope I dont get stuck like some of you have. I am like most people that are looking for something simple to improve my health as it is so hard in todays fast lane to eat right and exersize. I drink NONI every day and just wanted more on top of that to feel good. At 66 and still obove the ground I should be happy for that alone but like Auther in the movie I want more then enough. Ya'll have a nice day Cat
Dianne — 31 January 2008, 14:15
If it really worked, the dialysis centers would be out of business.
Teemoney — 31 January 2008, 21:00
This is Great!! LOL.. hahahaha
heinrich toex — 01 February 2008, 10:13
We payed 2 packets,did not get them,
heinrich toex — 01 February 2008, 10:13
We payed 2 packets,did not get them,
julie — 01 February 2008, 10:30
I purchased these pads after 5 uses the pads were as dark as the first time. My feet,at the heals feel like knifes sticking in them and I can't do anything to make them feel better. I can't hardly put my shoes on, much less walk
LAVENDAR — 01 February 2008, 12:21
I TRIED 6 BRANDS BEFORE I FOUND ONE THAT REALLY WORKS - HIGH TECH AND STERILE, TOO.
Laura — 02 February 2008, 06:06
Thanks to all of you for clearing this up for me. Especially the chemist. I was going to buy these for my daughter and I, but, after hearing the scam in it, no way am I buying these. It's the same as the intestinal cleaners that I used. After seeing the "bulky load" that I produced, it hit me that it was the "bulk" ingredients that caused this! Don't be fooled by this crap, either. I almost died using this stuff. I got so plugged up from it, (yes, I was drinking the water that I was supposed to) that this stuff was coming out of me for weeks afterward. Tne low and behold, I now have diverticulitis. I agree with the science on this. I also agree with the scam part, that no one can get their money back and the charges keep coming out of their accounts. Beware. Like they have always said, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Kelly — 02 February 2008, 16:51
If you don't believe in relexology and the connection of your foot to other body parts, take a garlic clove and rub in on your foot for atleast 45 seconds. Within minutes you'll taste it in your mouth. High quality detox pads WORK.
Ally — 02 February 2008, 16:54
I am actually really more confused than ever after reading all these comments!! The highest impact made on me is the colon cancer fellow. I wish the best for you!!! That's all... thanks!!!
henry — 02 February 2008, 21:34
It does not matter to me if they dont do anything their claimed to do. I have cold feet(nerve problems- complacation of crohns) and these pads do warm my feet during the night and make them fell much better in the am. It may have the same effect if they made shoes with a built in heater but these pads are CHEEP on Ebay. For a fraction over a dollar a day I get a months worth of warm feet without taking a med for my problem like the Dr.'s say I should. Think- warm blood= sweat= one way your body uses to rid it sself of toxins. I'll take my chances and let other suffers take the meds that half work and have side effects
j — 03 February 2008, 12:01
I use a different brand of foot pad... I do feel a difference and the pads DO stop turning color after you use them for a while. you can read and research as much as you like. but i think the only way to learn or truly understand anything at all, is by doing it.
D — 03 February 2008, 16:47
I think anal pads are a great idea! I'll try to invent some and call them fart filters!
D — 03 February 2008, 16:47
I think anal pads are a great idea! I'll try to invent some and call them fart filters!
Environmental Equalizer — 03 February 2008, 21:40
As a toxicologist, I have been sketical of these pads ever since they hit the air waves.
The foot has an extremely this layer on the sole and it is highly unlikely that the claims of "toxin removel" are valid.
I would like to see a certificate of analysis for both new pads and those that have been used for comparison.
For such skin transport (simple diffusion), an extremely vascular bed would be necessary.....the bottom of the foot is hardly vascular!
Perhaps a scotal pad would make more sense as this area of the anatomy is is rich in small blood vessels.....a lung pad would probably work even better.
Pissed off consumer — 04 February 2008, 09:31
After 3 phone calls and 4 weeks, i called to cancell my order since they had yet to ship it. This company is Fraud, the guy on the phone started bitching about Bush being a joke and i stated at least he shows his face!!!!
KM — 05 February 2008, 01:05
I can't believe some of you even BELIEVED this, much less THREW AWAY money to these people!! I had to work hard to convince my mother not to buy Kinoki footpads even though she knew they wouldn't work. She is a Pharmacy technician, and in particular she fills pet prescriptions. She even commented how parasites can't be absorbed through the skin.
I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but I've enough knowledge to know that some heavy metals are just naturally present in the body. I'm also pretty sure that heavy metals cannot be absorbed through the skin. Also, their idea that the body circulates "like a tree" is rather silly. Anyone who ever took Biology 101 in college and actually paid attention (heck, even if you didn't pay attention!!) should know that.
And finally, for Avon and CVS and Amazon's version of this... it's STILL the same thing. Just because those companies sell detox pads DOES NOT mean it works!!! They're taking advantage of ignorance to make money. It's like all those weight loss pills. Most of them are NOT FDA approved and don't really work and pretty much none of them work without a diet and exercise.
As others have pointed out, this is nothing more than a placebo. If you think it works then you've fallen for their ploy.
Please be sensible, people. Don't give away your money for things like this. You REALLY don't need it! Just eat healthy and exercise. Chances are you don't even come in contact with most of the heavy metals that commercial talks about.
KM — 05 February 2008, 01:47
BTW-- My mom had wanted to buy these to see how the scam worked, not because she did believe it. However, scams like this tend to try to keep getting money from you as soon as they get your credit card number. Some of you have already noticed this.
To those of you who claim this works for you... I believe you think it works for you and the power of belief is very strong. There's plenty of proof of the power the mind can play in regards to pain. Otherwise placebos wouldn't exist. The reason placebos are often prescribed to people is because there really isn't a medicine that could effectively help the patient. If there wasn't so much proof on the effectiveness of placebos on human beings in general it wouldn't find such wide use.
Those of you who said "where's the trust" and "don't say it's a scam because you think it's a scam..." are really being ridiculous. It doesn't come down to "think"ing, there's proven facts that the commercial for this pad denies. Just because YOU don't know better doesn't make it so. And let me tell you, you're completely ignorant if you made either of those comments.
As for trust... reality check, people! We're living in a world that's full of scams, many of which target uneducated or elderly people who simply don't know better. There are people who live on scams like this and you'd be surprised how much they can get away with because the people they target just don't know better.
I understand there will just be those who are in such pain that they'll turn to alternative medicine like this to help, but I'd recommend trying other avenues that won't keep taking your money like this.
angel — 05 February 2008, 14:59
I have another phone number for the Kinoki Detox Foot Pads purchased from buykinoki.com if anybody is interested -it is 1-800-726-1305 They do not deliver the product or return your phone calls.
ot philosphy — 06 February 2008, 15:14
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THE PRODUCT WORKS FOR ME,AND I DO NOT GIVE A=DAM WHAT YOU FDA PROGRAMMED MANIACS SAY PERIOD.TRY KINO TOX HTTP://WWW.KINO TOX.COM -DISTRIBUTED HEALTHY HABITS 6339 E.GREENWAY PKWY#102-417 SCOTTSDALE,AZ,,85254-6523.I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A FAILER MINDSET OR PEOPLE WHO LIE AND SAY THEY ARE THIS AND THAT,WHEN THEY HAVE LESS EDUCATION THAN ALL OF US,OVER HALF OF YOU JUST MADE JACKASSES OF YOURSELF,CHECK AND DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH.
3ping7 — 06 February 2008, 16:59
Can the pad be tested for toxins?
Marduk Mike — 07 February 2008, 10:19
HAHAHA what a way to spend my afternoon before going into work. I heard about these things before i saw them on tv and just wanted to research them some to see what other people thought. well it doesnt matter because i got such a kick out of this post and these comments i forgot all about wasting my money on those things. bahaha thanks for the laughs :)
Science? Fact or Farce — 08 February 2008, 14:24
One of the old cures for mercury poisoning was in fact...sweating! Anyone who has used Emu oil knows that you can certainly taste it! So, things come out of the skin and go into the skin. Both are a facts. Perhaps some people's bodies are more permeable in one direction or the other than is normal, who can say. But do look at the facts.
Anything you put into your body can only pass through specific barriers - this is why not all meds cross the Blood/brain barrier but some do. This is why few things are absorbed directly from the stomach into the bloodstream (alcohol & water being a couple) but most must to be processed through either the large or small intestine-some are even coated to protect them from your stomach acid so they have a chance to reach their delivery site.
Clinical trials are the only real way to determine if something works and I would imagine that anything that could "pull" toxins from the body would also "pull" some good stuff since there is no puffy, black, squishy, oozy brain attached to these pads. A zillion Japanese using a product does not a good product make.
I use "holistic" medicine regularly but am cautious about overly broad claims as all should be. In 1668, Francesco Redi, an Italian physician, did an experiment with flies and wide-mouth jars containing meat to disprove spontaneous generation. Even when "everyone" believes in something or has a lovely story to back it up, first use the gray squishy stuff between your ears to evaluate it. A person who is open to finding actual truth will usually find it.
Hard to convince — 09 February 2008, 15:45
This has been very enlightening. Thank you all for your comments. This seems to be one of the only sites discussing detox pads - and not selling them. I don't know if the pads ever quit turning dark, but if all of us continued using them 30-90 days to find out (as advised by one of the companies selling the product)at $60-$180 per customer (plus excess shipping and handling charges), they've made quite a profit.
the fat kid — 10 February 2008, 00:37
its that works?
Patty — 10 February 2008, 08:43
Thanks for all of your input folks. Enlightening, humorous, witty. I was hoping to find out something about the pads and I sure did.
The saddest part is the not receiving your product or not being able to stop the billing. If you must buy, buy from a local rep first and give them a try.
What a fun group of people! God Bless.
MSW in Georgia — 11 February 2008, 11:04
I became interested in these after my mother-in-law talked about the benefits of the ionic foot baths she gets, so I'm researching. She suffers from a rare medical condition and treats it with homeopathic treatments. Her physician studied traditional medicine and alternative treatments. She SWEARS by the foot baths, and it's obvious to see that she feels better afterward.
Whether there is any empirical proof of the effectiveness of homeopathic treatments, I don't know. It's highly possible that they work simply because one expects it work. As a therapist, I'm well familiar with the power of the human mind to affect the body both positively and negatively. But in my mother-in-law's case I also see a woman who has gone from being homebound in constant pain to someone who can attend her son's football games and is starting to paint again after 20 years. It's obvious to anyone who knows her that she is getting better.
For those who have had negative experiences with Kinoki pads, you have my sympathies. It's definitely an outrage that you didn't receive the quantities you requested, or were charged for product you didn't order. Best of luck as you fight to get your money back and stop future payments. If you can find a mailing address, try sending a certified or registered letter addressing your complaint - that way you'll have a record of when you sent it, and who signed for it. This can be very helpful in working with your bank or the BBB.
There's a lot of talk about the placebo effect here. But I think it's also important to remember that even if the benefit of a product is strictly due to a person's mental expectations, it doesn't invalidate the benefits to that person. If the person feels better, does it really matter if it's caused by a placebo? Isn't it more important that the symptoms have improved?
Everyone keeps saying that the only way to tell is to test the pads before and after - so I'm going to attempt to do just that. My old roommate is a biochemist at SUNY, and she's agreed to run some tests on the ionic foot baths my mother-in-law swears by, so I'll ask her to try a footpad if I can find some on eBay. I'll post the results, whatever they are, when she's done!
Dave — 12 February 2008, 05:04
Save your twenty bucks, there are allot better things to do with the money. Our parents, Grandparents and so on had it figured out. There are NO short cuts to good health. Just get out and exercise, take a walk, eat in moderation and sensibly and drink plenty of water. Fiber naturally thru fruits and vegetables and your body will detoxify on it's own in no time. God made the body perfect...God didn't make or need help from little pads stuck to the bottom of your feet? Take five bucks and go buy a card and tell your best friend, partner, spouse whomever how much you appreciate them, that's the best medicine. Just my personal opinion, that's all....
geigerocd — 12 February 2008, 10:28
First, you can buy these at most Asian food stores. No need to involve your credit card or telemarketers. Secondly, I tried them last night, a version from a company called Kokubo. The package had no english except the URL. My feet are not small so I put two pads on each foot. All of the noted effects happened to the pads. My main reaction was an almost drug like feeling of calm and I fell asleep almost immediately. I did wake up feeling better. Subjective? yes. But welcomed. So, science and all aside, Give it a try. Judge for yourself
Paul — 12 February 2008, 12:52
I have 1000 acres in the Gobi desert for sale. Ten dollars an acre. Cash up front. Any takers??
Believer — 12 February 2008, 12:53
Pissed off Consumer, what phone number did you call? I need to cancel my automatic shipments and billing but can't find anyone to talk to.
N475 — 16 February 2008, 16:23
I try to send an email to Mythbuster to have some test on the Kinoki Detox pads. All they have to do is to have few people have blood test to get detail on their heavy metal other toxin content in their blood. Then have these persons use the Detox pad for weeks (until the pads are no longer brown). Blood can be tested again to determine the effectiveness of this product. We can put this to bed once in for all. Many of us are mixing the product vs. marketer. People who are marketing are often greedy to make quick bucks rather than have a long-term business. This is a big country with 250 million people and if a certain percentage of people pay a dollar each, turns in to several million dollars. It makes me to believe that the people are marketing this product here themselves are not sure about this product. I like to keep the product separate from the seller. The product may be OK, but the people who are marketing may not be. My understanding of herbal remedies from the East that it works to a certain extend. Of course there are many snake oil Salesman out there too. Some herbal ingredients used by eastern Healers are often consists of the actual ingredient that actually works towards healing and another ingredient to give a physical effect. The physical effect can be visual or can be sensed by any of our 5 senses. It works like placebo to give the Patient a Psychological boost. Or, just to gain the trust from the Patient. Just remember that there was no modern medicine in the past and people lived with natural remedies. People go the spa to pay hundreds of dollars to get a mud bath. Whereas in east where people using mud to clean and exfoliate skin for all along. Hereís the secret, I just bought Kinoki Detox pads. I just started using. I used it for only for one day. I will keep you posted. I did wake up in the morning very fresh. I would not exaggerate any more until I am entirely convinced that my foot pains are gone.
N475 — 16 February 2008, 17:20
Sorry, forgot that population of USA already exceeded 300 million.
CommonSense — 17 February 2008, 19:29
Yes, Paul...I would buy your land. lol. There's a sucker born every minute. I can't believe I wasted my time reading all this BS. It works, it doesn't. If you don't have the money to spare, don't buy it. If you do, then try it. If you believe in something that sounds to good to be true then you deserve what you get.
And to all those anti-government...anti-FDA types--there are plenty of other countries in the world to live in. Go try your luck there.
Bill — 18 February 2008, 18:05
Mannn...this sounds great....hummm...I think I will use my bowflex for 5 mins (been using it for 5 years and still waiting for a muscle to appear) then I will jump in my $14.95 thing that hangs me upside down that (according to the info commercial) repairs all back problems--then maybe i could just place the "pad" on my head instead of my foot!!!!
MIGHTY- WHITEY — 19 February 2008, 07:27
I am an african-american and I tried these pads for the first time last night and awoke in the morning to the shock of my life! I took the pads off my feet and they were black and slimey gross. I then looked in the mirror and discovered that I had turned white overnight.Buy the pads and live like a white man.
Jeff in Seattle — 20 February 2008, 23:07
The old "detox" scam is back in a new form...sticky footpads this time instead of immersing your feet in water.
Their commercial states that it removes all toxins from your body by wearing sticky footpads on your feet while you sleep (including radiation AND asbestos!). Having a relative who died of asbestos cancer in his lungs, this statement is ludicrous. I don't have any idea how people would think that you could wear stickers on your feet and have it somehow removes particulate fibers from lung tissues - or radiation from your body. A blogger stated that the address on the commercial is actually a UPS store, not the company. How is no one shutting them down since it is an obvious fraud.
aeternavi — 21 February 2008, 10:00
I have started a website that I feel would be great for stuff of this nature. doesitwork.freeforums.org
just want the truth — 21 February 2008, 12:16
Is there a site where we can get experiential information about these things without all of the negative feed back from those who have never used the product? I want to know, FROM THE EXPERIENCE of those using the detox pads, how the work.
Grinnin Granny — 22 February 2008, 02:08
I would like to ask a question for the Drs and chemists. I have gout & psudo (sp?)gout and when it flares up I am down for a week. A few months ago I decided to try my grandmothers drawing poltice,within 18 hrs I could walk, not all the pain was gone but enough swelling so I could walk.I've had several flares since then and the poltice works every time. I have multiple heath problems and take multiple meds. Could you explain the chemical reaction that might make this work? The poltice is salt,baking soda and enough cooking grease to make a paste,on the bottom of my feet overnight. I had a violent reaction to the meds for gout,I have polycistc organs. If you could PLEASE tell me why this seems to work and if it is safe I would be grateful.I don't want to go into my medical history,BORING stuff.But I don't want to damage what still works! I found this while I was reading about the foot patches,since grandmas poltice works it seemd plausable to me that they might. Thank you
j. ashley RN — 24 February 2008, 03:10
Gout is caused by uric acid in your joints. Your diet is very important. Tea and red meat have a lot of uric acid in them. Eating cherries and drinking cherry juice can really help gout.
Lisa — 25 February 2008, 07:52
I just now searched the internet using www.411locate.com (reverse address lookup)and entered the address listed on the sales receipt from Kinoki Detox: "1955 Swarthmore, Suite 3, Lakewood, NJ 08701". My first search found nothing. Second time I searched I left the "Suite 3" off of my search critera and found several business' listed at this address (different suites). There was only 1 business listed under "Nonclassified Establishments" I clicked on it and the company "Xacto 3000 Inc." was listed. I then clicked on the link above it "Report Incorrect Listings" and selected "Xacto 3000 Inc.". The page that was displayed gives the same address for Kinoki Detox (but with no Suite #) the phone number listed is:
I called the number and received a recording stating that this was "Kinki Detox" even though the address listing and phone number state that is is "Xacto 3000 Inc."
My husband ordered these pads and just received them 2 days ago. The plastic package that these pads came in contains the company name "Xacto 3000 Inc." on it. I hope this information will be useful to those who are needing it.
Brent — 25 February 2008, 08:11
Thanks, Lisa! That should help out. Appreciate you taking the time to share the info.
Lisa — 25 February 2008, 08:33
The message above that I just sent has a typo in the company's name. It is spelled "Xacta" and not "Xacto". The better business bureau shows the address and phone infomation as the following:
XACTA 3000 1955 Swarthmore Ave Ste 3 Lakewood, NJ 08701-4557
I called the 1-800-726-1305 number and got a "real" person who asked if I was wanting to place an order.....I said no and hung up.
Lisa — 25 February 2008, 08:44
No problem Brent. I am just glad that I was able to stumble across this information and put 2 and 2 together.
My husband placed a one-time order for the pads. I was wondering what information is listed on the pad packages for those who ordered a subscription of the pads.
Has anyone ordered a one-time subscription and encounted problems as far as credit card charges?
Alex - 27Feb2008 — 27 February 2008, 07:07
After reading all these comments I called and cancelled my life continuity program, the number I called is 1-888-642-7005. The person who answer indeed sounded like zombie but he said my order was going to be send today 2/27. I placed my order on 2/24. He said that he deactivated me from the life program but I don't know if I should call my bank to prevent future charges.
chemistry teacher in Atlanta — 28 February 2008, 13:54
I am a chemistry teacher and ordered the foot pads to teach my students why they should NOT bother to purchase products such as the KINOKI pads. First, if you look at the published ingredients, they are primarily SAND, STARCH, and a source of IODINE. Iodine will cause starch to turn brown/black depending on the moisture present. This is why they ask you to put the pad on your FEET. Your feet are the second most sweat producing area of your body. Then the pad is covered with a "plaster" to keep the moisture in and ensure that the reaction takes place. We actually put distilled water on the pads and had the same reaction as when kids wore them. As far as the claims go, the manufacturer even tells you on the inside of the product that the product is NOT INTENDED TO TREAT, CURE, DIAGNOSE...AND IT IS BEST TO CONSULT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. They basically disclaim everything in their add. A great lab for my kids on two levels. One for the chemistry aspect, and the second, "a fool and his money...
Willis — 04 March 2008, 14:46
Anyone hear abou that cold natural "medicine" AIRBORNE? It got sued and was ordered to pay 23 million dollars back to its customers and is under futher investigation for its claims and possible federal indictment, all because thay made claims thay could not back up. Could this be the same route for Kinoki foot pads? Lets hope so.
Suzie — 11 March 2008, 18:43
There's a site consumerwatchreview.com which supposedly reviews a lot of claims of health products, but it only lists three detox foot pad brands with links, a pretty blatant marketing site with no credibility whatsoever except for the misleading URL name.
kinoki lover — 12 March 2008, 22:15
I am going to wear my Kinoki pads while further intoxicating my body with hard liquor.
author — 13 March 2008, 21:52
I ordered these when I was drunk one night. My grandma used to give me a teaspoon of epsom salts in water and I would sh*t out about 300 times as much black stuff as these pads take out. Much more efficient toxin removal system.
Jan March 17, 2008 — 17 March 2008, 18:42
Don't waste your money. It doesn't work. The pad never gets lighter and you don't get the 2nd pads like they advertise unless you pay for them. They SUCK!!!!!
Geyser Man — 19 March 2008, 13:40
These things really work! I had a bad case of diahrrea and was too embarassed to go to the doctor! Day in and day out I was literally pissing out of my anus. Then one day I was up late, having just consumed some liquid cork, when the Kinoki foot pads commercial came on tv. I immediately dialed the 800 number and requested overnight delivery to my house. The next night I applied the white stickers to my froth spewing anal sphincter. Miraculously, overnight, my body had been detoxified and the sticker was full of brown goo! Amazing! (also, it was all over my sheets, but that's beside the point).
chimamax3 — 24 March 2008, 16:10
I have fibromyalgia and I have lesions over most parts of my body that have remained unhealed for almost two years. I have been to dermatologists, internists, GP's. They all said hmmmmm, I have no idea what is causing this. I have had numerous punch biopsies and one huge incision in my thigh to remove tissue for testing. Again--hmmmmm. Nada. I purchased detox pads from Avon. After using them for three nights I am experiencing spontaneous healing. I am not delusional. Don't start with "Morgellons". That is bogus until proven otherwise by the CDC so I am told. My sores are not. The pads worked for me!! I am buying more but from Amazon to avoid the problems with subscription purchase.
KT did — 25 March 2008, 09:13
I have been using these for 2 weeks for a "Does it work" segment on our local news channel. Last night (night 13) was the first night that the pad was lighter than the other nights. I have felt absolutely no changes whatsoever. I am curious to see what changes if any there will be after I have stopped using them. Tonight is my last one. I definately would not do a lifetime subscription. Actually I did not pay for these. Our news station did. There are tons of viewers who are anxious to see the outcome of the test. Hopefully I can save them some money!
chimamax3 — 25 March 2008, 18:05
Avoid the subscription nightmare by ordering these from Amazon.com. I ordered Monday, they were shipped Tuesday. Secure payment to Amazon, not the vendor. Same product. Also available from Avon but substantially more money and CVS.
John — 25 March 2008, 23:54
Jimbo, You must have stock in the company because I have found your threads on multiple sites all making that same stupid argument about a retailer testing products before they carry them. Retailers have one job, to supply its customers what they demand. Manufacturers have the responsibility to ensure the claims it makes about its products are accurate. I am not here to say the pads work or not. Just make a good argument when you decide to post it all over the net.
Sanya — 27 March 2008, 07:09
First of all, I have no doubt that this is a scam. Lack of documentation, shady business, and the abundance of gimmicks are all major signs of scamming.
However, it's foolish to say that all homeopathic medicine doesn't work. Keep in mind that herbs DO have chemicals in them. It would be like saying that if I ingest deadly nightshade, the part where I die is all in my imagination. Massage DOES stimulate the circulation, and yes, acupressure is a form of massage. Just because something does not fulfill its purpose does not mean that it does nothing at all.
Secondly, do not underestimate the placebo effect. Even a little confidence does wonders. Self-suggestion is a very powerful thing, whether beneficial or not.
Er...basically? Buyer beware. Use your brain and keep in mind that all products are not the same. Watch out for gimmicks in place of science, and if you get a bad gut-feeling about something, don't buy it.
SayUNKLE — 29 March 2008, 07:37
I found it funny when in every example of the product, including the charts showing the removal of toxins, the screen reads "Results not typical" during the entire commercial in small disclaimer lettering at the bottom of the screen. ..just sayin. :/
Chubb — 29 March 2008, 07:41
I just scratched my balls and I feel much better. And it was free. La de da!
Chubb — 29 March 2008, 07:41
I just scratched my balls and I feel much better. And it was free. La de da!
Davie Davis — 29 March 2008, 07:51
Go to www.easyshop-easybuy.com but you won't find this crap at this site. I like their service and it's easy to buy online.
Detox the Old Fashioned Way — 29 March 2008, 14:56
Last I checked, excrement and urine was the all natural method of the body eliminating toxins. And the toilet paper even truns a nasty color too!!
Raybo — 30 March 2008, 05:43
Heyyyy. Can you guys explain where the black stuff comes from thats left on the pad?. They made me feel better.
pissed off — 01 April 2008, 16:17
i dont know what the fuck is going on .i orderd those foot pads 2 times now and never got my order .so whats up with that
toxicwaist — 01 April 2008, 18:33
of course they can send you FREE pads every month..the $12.95 S&H covers the cost of the pads which is virtually nothing as well as the lightweight postage and still make a substantial profit..and it's automatic -$
eugene — 07 April 2008, 18:29
I signed up for free for life. I don't see anywhere to activate that part of the service. Where should I be looking.
Dr.Z — 08 April 2008, 14:29
Hey do they really work? should i buy them.
Dr.Z — 08 April 2008, 14:31
I think they react to sweat. cuz how is that possibal. Remvoin toxins from ur body, i dont think so!
DrZ — 08 April 2008, 14:32
I went to school for 8 years and i have never heard that before!
rhea — 11 April 2008, 01:00
I just had a theory why POSSIBLY the footpads might get lighter over a few days. If the main ingredient is vinegar then maybe the more vinegar you have on your foot that effects the pads ability to interact with your sweat and so it doesn't turn as brown.
that said, reading all these comments has provided me with a good 30 minutes of entertainment. It's also been reassuring to see that there are still people in this world with half an ounce of logic! Glad that so many people are skeptical of this scam.
K — 13 April 2008, 08:19
Lots of negativity on the patches in this blog. But it seems to be all opinions and disbelief on how it could be ble to work. I'm inclined to try them for myself before passing judgement, as I know how much natural products get a bad rap in North America as opposed to the so-called 'safe' drugs offered by the pharmaceuticals.
AnnieMcPhee — 13 April 2008, 16:11
And...the only reasoning that they "work" is "I feel better" and "Come on, people buy/sell lots of things - why would they sell/buy it if it were no good?" Real convincing arguments there lol.
I think the comment winner has to be "they removed the toxic $30 from my credit card account" followed by "I have a better one...send me $29.95" heh.
Oh, even in 2008 P.T. Barnum was so right. Except now there are hundreds born every minute. Hasn't anyone ever heard of double-blind controlled clinical trials - with measurable results, like, say, bloodwork?
The ads say it works, mystically, "like a tree." Sucking in "energy" through the leaves and branches, and drawing it (and toxins) down through the roots. Even an elementary school education will tell you we are not remotely like trees. (Not to mention trees suck up moisture through the roots and bring it upward, and it's the sunlight that is the "energy" which reacts with the chlorophyll, etc. Jeesh.) Our "energy" comes in through our mouths, is digested and converted through the digestive system, and toxins are drawn out (filtered) by your organs, then excreted out the other end of the pipes (and yes, some of it naturally through the skin - it would do that anyway.) Skin certainly plays a role, but the skin covers the whole body, not just your feet. They're relying on the ridiculous tree metaphor to fool people there.
Let us know how they work for you K. Hopefully you'll get some bloodwork first and then after, so we can have some actual numbers instead of "Hey, I really DO feel better!" The placebo/nocebo effects are well-documented in real medical science. "I feel better" isn't an objective measure of anything.
antibsmeter — 14 April 2008, 18:11
Wow! Sooo many idiots in one place! I noticed that these pads don't make you any wiser. Most of you who praised the product cannot even use proper grammar! Did you know that sugar pills work to cure these ailments as well? Maybe I should sell cyanide and call it "Darwinism". I can count on all of you to pay me millions for it!
Happy feet — 17 April 2008, 15:51
A lot of good comments I did like what one person said about the drug companies and that is true. There is a lot of natural products out there but if the doctor and drug companies don't receive money off of, they discourage you to try them, but that is what they are taught. That people of them are quacks. But I can say I have ordered the detox pads from verseo company and both my husband and I are using them and we both are seeing results, I flag 10-12 hours a day standing in one spot and have always had pain in feet in morning and now I feel great and also refreshed with energy. My husband before could not sleep for more than 5 hours in bed from back pain, I always find him relocated to the sofa in the mornings but now he is sleeping until 7 and wakes with now pain in lower back, and he just told me tonight he fell asleep and forgot to put them on last night and woke up early still not a whole lot of pain. We have been using them for 5 nights. And No I am not getting paid to say this. So call it what ever, but it works for us for now. But not the same company you all are talking about, the brand I use is not kinoki. Hope this helps.
genius — 19 April 2008, 05:04
I feel SO STUPIT. I ordured a bocks of 35 for $85.00 and on this sight I cee yuu cen get them for much cheeper. oooo I em sow stupit
amen00 — 20 April 2008, 15:21
feeling much better, thank you — 21 April 2008, 15:14
The ones I got are from Japan. They do not say anything about excreting metals. It is all the acids, like uric acid, lactic acid, etc. I use them and I love them. I am full of energy now and feel like I am on a better road to health. I will comtinue to use them. No matter what it is that is new, their are so many people that just can't stand something new, or trust that something new will work. Until you use them for 2 weeks yourself, then don't say anything. You may be keeping someone else from finding something that works. They are not as strong as the foot baths, but they do work. If you try the foot baths, you will beleive in it. The first time is wonderful, except for the detox reaction. You have to drink alot of water to clear out your system. Or you will feel flu like symtoms for awhile. I think soon you will see these popping up everywhere. They are already doing that here in Texas with good results.
Curious about these — 22 April 2008, 06:28
I didn't read all the posts, but what are the side effects of these foot pads????
happy feet — 26 April 2008, 05:22
I recently went to ebay and found the kinoki pads on there and are a lot cheaper than the ones I first ordered when I posted on the 17th. I believe they are just as good with a cheaper price.kinoki_deals_and_more his name is Brandon and to answer curious it really depends on your body. I don't see any side effects, but I detox alot and work in sun everyday and sweat is natures way of detox. But some people get head aches and feels like coming down with something, you must always drink water to flush your body that is true with any detox.Best thing is to just try it for a week or so, we noticed after the first night. good luck
ductapenlace — 04 May 2008, 16:00
I go to my chiropractor and he got me hooked on this type of cleansing. Although in his office I put my feet in the tub of water and an electrode device is placed in the tub with my feet for 20 minutes. Lots of gunk comes out and the more I do it the less gunk comes out. There is a chart also of what the colors represent. I will definitely be trying these pads because your body does release heavy metals through the feet. This is for MR RATIONALSKEPTIC...why would there be so much gunk at the beginning of treatment and much less at the end of the treatment?
Processedmeatcicle — 15 May 2008, 23:59
Send me 5 bucks. Wait, I'll give it out for free. No more fast food, no more sodas, no more crap. don't eat it if you can't kill it or grow it. The closer to the base animal/plant the better. If it has to be processed and made into a pattie, frozen, thawed, deepfried, and served on a pile of lard it's bad. Good luck. Oh, and excercise. Because from what i read this looks to be just another hype pill. "Yay I'm cured!" type deal.
footdoc — 16 May 2008, 05:54
Fact: The feet have more sweat glands per square inch than any other place on the body.
Fact: Vinegar is an astringent, and will shrink your pores and decrease sweating.
Fact: When plain water is placed on the pads, they change color just as if the pad was on a foot all night.
Conclusion: The color change has nothing to do with "toxins" and all to do with moisture. The color change of the pad getting lighter is the decrease in sweat production some people will experience when chronically treated with vinegar.
bigboy norwalk — 18 May 2008, 18:24
i like them and the emell
Crohn's No More — 22 May 2008, 17:07
I purchased Kinoki pads after seeing a commercial for them on BBC America. They were delivered exactly as promised in five weeks. My credit card was not charged until about 10 days before they arrived. My fiance and I have both used them and while the pads still turn dark brown and produce an odor, we have both noticed results. Mine are more dramatic than hers. Thirty-seven years ago, I had an intestinal resection where some nine inches of my small intestine were removed due to Crohn's disease. Twelve years later (and as a complication of the original surgery) my gall bladder was removed. Since then, I have never had a solid stool...and I emphasize never. Several doctors recommended pharmaceuticals to quell the condition, but all these drugs produced serious side effects when taken over the long haul. I opted to live with my condition. Three weeks ago I put on my first Kinoki pad. The very first morning, my stool was normal. This, for the first time (without drugs) in 25 years! Every day since then I have had completely normal bowel movements (sorry to be so graphic but this is a true story). To me this has been absolutely amazing, and I could care less if it's caused by a placebo effect...of which I have my doubts. If Kinoki pads are good for this effect alone, they are worth every penny of the $1.30 per pad I pay. Both my fiance and I actually do have more energy, sleep more soundly, and are feeling generally better enough that we plan on continuing to use them. And, by the way, I have had no problem contacting the company through their toll-free 800 phone number, and I received my automatic reorder in five business days as promised. Either the company has cleaned up its act dramatically, or the complaints above are spurious.
the mermaid — 31 May 2008, 21:52
bought 120 pads on ebay for 20.00, used a few and dont know, but i have this feeling, that vinegar and sweat is changing color on pads not toxins, anyway guys, if you want to try,get them on ebay, less than 50c a pad. sure would like to know for sure about this.....
Me — 05 June 2008, 12:37
Yall need a LIFE!! OMG seriously!
Joanne — 06 June 2008, 08:42
Regarding the comments Brent made concerning Avon promoting cosmetics, creams, and other products that don't work, he is very sadly mistaken and obviously knows nothing about the agents used in their formulations. Avon has been around for over 100 years. It is a highly reputable and respected cosmetic company that offers a 100% guarantee to it's customers on all of their excellent products. As one of their representatives for almost 12 years I can personally attest to the fact that their skin-care products actually do what they say they do for the skin. Avon has been a pioneer in this field. Their cosmetics are very diverse and on the cutting edge. I have been using all of their beauty products since starting with them, and can personally vouch for each and every one of them. In addition, I have many satisfied and loyal customers that buy them through me, continuously.
Lady — 17 June 2008, 16:20
I cannot say whether the detox pads work or not. I only know that whether one feels better from the placebo effect, or because this pad works...the key is feeling better!!! This may prove to be a scam one day, but how will we ever know if no clinical trials are done. As we all know, there are "no" treatments that will help and or cure all (ie medications, diets, herbs and etc.) But if you can truly buy this product over the counter, which would address being skeptical about buying this item online or over the phone, and you have exhausted all other options (ie being treated by your doctor and so forth) then why not try it. If it works, good for you, if it doesn't, leave it alone. We waste more money in fashion, diet fads, cigerettes, alcohol, habits, and hobbies then anything else. Science has shown that one's psychological well-being has an effect on the physical well being...so whether we look at the feeling as being "hope" (which is a positive mental status) or even without the detox pads examine "faith" (as in a higher being) the results are still the same, and more people have more positive outcomes. Just thought I would throw my two cents in.
Common Sense 55 — 18 June 2008, 08:00
Testing the chemical composition in the pad before and after use is a relatively simple task (but may be costly). Test this by sending it to an independent lab, and there is your answer. Stop all this hypothetical B/S.
Mockarena — 22 June 2008, 16:59
Come see our kinoki experiment at www.themockdock.com. We were featured on 20/20! Guarantee you'll giggle at least a little!
Non-free Footie Pads user — 23 June 2008, 01:29
I have roommate who buys things from tv ads all the time. She bought some of these for us, so we've been trying them. To save the repeat order S&H fee, she ordered another six month supply at a lower fee, and told them not to charge her card until the trial period was up (I forget if she said it was 14 or 30 days). Her card was charged for the extra six month supply, but only the trial period amount of pads has arrived, and none of the "under eye" patches she was told she would get. I haven't noticed anyone mentioning these; I wonder if she got a "special bonus".
Being skeptical, I've saved the stack of used ones. I just counted them and have 14. I photographed the used pads the first four or five times to keep a record of the (?) changes in them. I used them on both feet every other night as suggested, she uses them one foot at a time every night.
The results I can report are that hers come off a black color, mine come off brown. After about a month of using mine, there has been no change in the color, no lightening, or the size of the brown coloration on the pad. It's pretty much completely brown to the edges. Her imprint on the pads is much smaller than mine, but she has normal arches in her feet and I have flat feet, no arches. I can't report having any more energy than before, but thinking back as I type this, I have had an unusual number of headaches over the last month, whereas I normally haven't had headaches in years after increasing my daily water intake; this after Dr. Wayne Dyer suggested that most migranes and headaches are caused by dehydration of the brain. I've heard reference to the before and since, and it seems logical. If the connction between water intake and less headaches is a placebo effect, it's a welcome one. The instructions do suggest drinking more water when using the pads, and I haven't really increased my water intake to any degree. I should have taken notes to see if there is a correlation between days of more coffee consumption / less water drinking / kinoki pad use and next day headaches, but hadn't thought of it until just now.
I looked for info on the web (and found this site) about the pads after thinking the pad color change could just be some chemical reaction in the pad after being exposed to sweat from the feet. I've read all the posts here going back months. I've had no vinegar taste in my mouth, but I did joke with my roommate after the first use that the pads smelled like they removed the BBQ sauce that we had on our steaks the night before, lol. I am surprised there are no return post from people talking about having the pads tested by some lab, etc. I'm going to try calling some of the consumer help people on the local news stations to see if one or more are interested in checking these things out. If any of the news shows do investigate the effect/lack of effect I will definitly repost here give the results. I will also address with the the issue of not recieving all the pads paid for, and reference this site so they can read the claims on both sides reported here.
wannabelieve but skeptic — 24 June 2008, 06:40
Has anybody tried just unwrapping a pad, putting it on the adhesive, and then just LEAVING it sitting on a table instead of your feet overnight? It would be interesting to see the "color" then.
newworldwidow — 24 June 2008, 22:37
The commercials were intriguing to me but I probably would have never ordered them. I bought the pads on a whim- seeing them at Bartell's made it easy and convenient to just try it. I generally lack energy, have bouts of anemia (low iron) and can find myself pretty melancholy even on Seattle's best days. Well, within minutes of applying the pad- my head started to hurt. And that made me jump online and see what others were saying. Thanks for all of your thoughts- but I gotta say- I seem to only see "Don't do it" from people who haven't done it. And "let's see" from people who've tried.
The fact that I got an instant headache scared me a little, but made me feel like *something* was happening.
Also- my question to the scientists is WHY something you don't know how to explain has to be an impossibility? Genius that he was, Columbus thought the world was square...
dog lover — 26 June 2008, 18:54
I tried one last night and this morning all that was there was powder. Nothing even stuck to the patch! the instructions say "wash and dry your feet" so i did. Someone else said to leave my foot wet. Maybe my feet don't sweat at night. Does anybody know if they are supposed to go on your feet wet or dry?